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The thing that most impresses me about JetBrains' products, after the very real "This was made by developers" feel to them, and the excellent community interact

The thing that most impresses me about JetBrains' products, after the very real "This was made by developers" feel to them, and the excellent community interaction, and the regular and plentiful updates.. is the price. They don't price gouge their users. They could double their prices and still have plenty of sales (but I guess they'd probably lose a lot of personal licenses.) I'm sure they have actually done the numbers and perhaps even determined they are making more money this way, but from an outside/ignorant perspective it sure feels nice for a company to not have some MBA pushing that profit curve for all its worth and delivering damn good value for money for once.

DerDangDerDang 6y ago
They worked out that every personal licensee is an advocate, if not an outright evangelist for their product.
- gjvc 6y ago
  Upvote 100x; I completely agree. As a counter-example look at Sencha, who have long alienated developers using their ExtJS toolkit, and this has deepened since the takeover by Idera.
  - rusticpenn 6y ago
    is the EXTjs tookit any good?. I am in a project where I am forced to use EXTJS classic ( coming from React).
    - gjvc 6y ago
      Probably want to stick to 4.2.1 GPL [1] (there are GPL versions on 5.x and 6.x but only minor point releases) I think it's great for enterprise form-fill-in applications. It's a complete widget set for doing in the browser what GUI apps from 20 years ago had in Java (for example) I have no interest whatsoever in writing web applications by using multiple components from multiple sources. I want to use a single toolkit. ExtJS satisfies my requirements. The tooling is awkward, but I've learned how to use it. examples "web desktop" https://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.2.1/extjs-build/examples/desktop/desktop.html https://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.2.1/extjs-build/examples/des... widget library (classic) https://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.2.1/extjs-build/examples/build/KitchenSink/ext-theme-classic/ https://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.2.1/extjs-build/examples/bui... Please shout (email in profile) if you need any help. Good luck! [1] http://cdn.sencha.com/ext/gpl/ext-4.2.1-gpl.zip http://cdn.sencha.com/ext/gpl/ext-4.2.1-gpl.zip
      - rusticpenn 6y ago
        My project is a frontend for a CRUD app which a huge database. I will definitely ask for help when I am at my wits end! Thank you !
    - bokchoi 6y ago
      My biggest gripe is that ExtJS doesn't html encode the replacements in the component templates. This is something that react got right from the start.
- rufus_foreman 6y ago
  Exactly, that's how I started using JetBrains products, I was working in a shop where everyone used Eclipse, and one developer kept telling everyone that if they tried Intellij for 30 days they wouldn't go back. I think there was only one developer that tried it and then went back to Eclipse.
  - ci5er 6y ago
    As a counter, I have gotten 3 100+ person dev shops to adopt it.
krisgenre 6y ago
.. and IntelliJ Ultimate has plugins that brings all the features of all of their IDEs(PHP, GO, Android, RUST, JS...) except CLion.
- holtalanm 6y ago
  Does IntelliJ Ultimate include their C# functionality from Rider, as well? I used to use IntelliJ Ultimate, but I don't remember it including C# support.
  - krisgenre 6y ago
    I guess AppCode and Rider aren't included. As a Linux user I completely forgot they existed :).
  - doyouevensunbro 6y ago
    No, you have to use Rider for that. That said Rider is fantastic and their Unity support is top notch. Going between Rider for game code and IntelliJ for the backend was a godsend when it happened. Makes my day to day workload manageable.
mamcx 6y ago
I wish the owners of Delphi go this route instead of whatever them do. This could have make Delphi far more popular than its now, I not cause a exodus of talent...

DerDangDerDang 6y ago

They worked out that every personal licensee is an advocate, if not an outright evangelist for their product.

gjvc 6y ago
Upvote 100x; I completely agree. As a counter-example look at Sencha, who have long alienated developers using their ExtJS toolkit, and this has deepened since the takeover by Idera.
- rusticpenn 6y ago
  is the EXTjs tookit any good?. I am in a project where I am forced to use EXTJS classic ( coming from React).
  - gjvc 6y ago
    Probably want to stick to 4.2.1 GPL [1] (there are GPL versions on 5.x and 6.x but only minor point releases) I think it's great for enterprise form-fill-in applications. It's a complete widget set for doing in the browser what GUI apps from 20 years ago had in Java (for example) I have no interest whatsoever in writing web applications by using multiple components from multiple sources. I want to use a single toolkit. ExtJS satisfies my requirements. The tooling is awkward, but I've learned how to use it. examples "web desktop" https://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.2.1/extjs-build/examples/desktop/desktop.html https://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.2.1/extjs-build/examples/des... widget library (classic) https://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.2.1/extjs-build/examples/build/KitchenSink/ext-theme-classic/ https://docs.sencha.com/extjs/4.2.1/extjs-build/examples/bui... Please shout (email in profile) if you need any help. Good luck! [1] http://cdn.sencha.com/ext/gpl/ext-4.2.1-gpl.zip http://cdn.sencha.com/ext/gpl/ext-4.2.1-gpl.zip
    - rusticpenn 6y ago
      My project is a frontend for a CRUD app which a huge database. I will definitely ask for help when I am at my wits end! Thank you !
  - bokchoi 6y ago
    My biggest gripe is that ExtJS doesn't html encode the replacements in the component templates. This is something that react got right from the start.
rufus_foreman 6y ago
Exactly, that's how I started using JetBrains products, I was working in a shop where everyone used Eclipse, and one developer kept telling everyone that if they tried Intellij for 30 days they wouldn't go back. I think there was only one developer that tried it and then went back to Eclipse.
- ci5er 6y ago
  As a counter, I have gotten 3 100+ person dev shops to adopt it.

krisgenre 6y ago

.. and IntelliJ Ultimate has plugins that brings all the features of all of their IDEs(PHP, GO, Android, RUST, JS...) except CLion.

holtalanm 6y ago
Does IntelliJ Ultimate include their C# functionality from Rider, as well? I used to use IntelliJ Ultimate, but I don't remember it including C# support.
- krisgenre 6y ago
  I guess AppCode and Rider aren't included. As a Linux user I completely forgot they existed :).
- doyouevensunbro 6y ago
  No, you have to use Rider for that. That said Rider is fantastic and their Unity support is top notch. Going between Rider for game code and IntelliJ for the backend was a godsend when it happened. Makes my day to day workload manageable.

mamcx 6y ago

I wish the owners of Delphi go this route instead of whatever them do. This could have make Delphi far more popular than its now, I not cause a exodus of talent...