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Obviously CDPR is more directed to the PC Gaming scene, where the game actually excels apart from some bugs. Most people who critizise this game are in the gam

Obviously CDPR is more directed to the PC Gaming scene, where the game actually excels apart from some bugs. Most people who critizise this game are in the gaming scene for the trends or just failed to see other RPGs being launched. RPGs are games very complex, every one launched until now that is considered good also had a rough launch like this one (being hyped AF also didn't helped...). Also, people shoulnd't expect a next-gen game to run well on prev-gen hardware, specially when we're speaking on the PS4 flat released back at 2013.

dagw 6y ago
Also, people shoulnd't expect a next-gen game to run well on prev-gen hardware That's the whole point of consoles. I absolutely expect to be able to buy any game where the box says "PS4" and have it be playable on a "PS4".
- traveler01 6y ago
  I mean that's the thing, some people say it's playable others say it isnt. I mean haven't tried it and played on my Xbox Series X and it's fine. I'm not the usual console gamer, I just bought my first console and afaik these consoles aren't just plug and play anymore. Refund policies need to change IMO.
  - overkalix 6y ago
    If a game is marketed towards PC and multiple consoles, I expect the game to run equally well on all platforms. This isn't the case. Stop relativizing the issues, please.
    - traveler01 6y ago
      I just love how people are so selective with Cyberpunk even though other triple-A titles get away with worse. Specially since the game was released 2 weeks ago and still receiving updates very fast which means in a month it will run fine.
kjakm 6y ago
>> people shoulnd't expect a next-gen game to run well on prev-gen hardware I don’t understand this sentiment. The game’s been in development for 8 years and was scheduled to launch before next-gen hardware. They partnered with MS on a custom skin last-gen Xbox. The game plays in comparability mode in next-gen hardware. In no way was this billed as a next-gen game.
- dagw 6y ago
  The game’s been in development for 8 years They announced that their next project would be based on Cyberpunk 2020 8 years ago. They only actively started development ~4 years ago. But yea, the original release date was way before the PS5 etc. where even announced.
- traveler01 6y ago
  Maybe the issue was when they tried to improve graphic quality for next gen and PCs they fucked up the last gen thing. If I'd guess any better they weren't expecting this blowing out of proportions for that...
  - mercer 6y ago
    It's so, so much more than that. Even if the game had no bugs, it's nothing like what it was presented to be. And no, not by the 'fanboys' but by CDPR themselves. I'd probably have bought the game on discount if I knew it was, much like Witcher 3, a mediocre game in most ways other than visuals, and in some ways actually a step down from their previous title. But I bought this one on preorder because it was presented as not just 'The Witcher 3, but Cyberpunk and wonkier in most ways', but a game that would do an open world well, and so much more. Normally I don't preorder games, but I gave CDPR the benefit of the doubt. The fact that Sony, of all companies, is actually offering refunds, should make it clear that this game is terrible. It's fine that you enjoy it, but why try to argue it's all 'blown out of proportion' or that 'fanboys expected too much'. Can't you just enjoy the game without needing validation?
    - oneeyedpigeon 6y ago
bathtub365 6y ago
This game has numerous issues, even on PC. The menu UX is horrendous, there are numerous ridiculous bugs concerning characters T-posing, clipping through world geometry, animations failing to play or have key objects characters are supposed to interact with floating in random places. These taken together make the game seem like a sloppy mess, regardless of how much money they appear to have poured into the rendering pipeline. The fact that the game is such a disaster on current gen consoles should not be excused when a game’s production cycle has predominantly been during those consoles existence. Why are we letting companies off the hook when they advertise a product and fail to deliver, because we perceive that hardware as being unable to handle it? Rockstar has excelled at launching games of a similar complexity across multiple console generations. GTAV ran on hardware 2 generations old so let’s not pretend that this is out of reach for a AAA developer with hundreds of staff. I have little sympathy for a major developer and publisher failing to live up to the hype that they created or courted, and leaned into up until a disastrous release.
- traveler01 6y ago
  I played for 35 hours and I haven't noticed that much issues and some glitches even make me laugh. Meanwhile in Watch Dogs Legion Microsoft Store went against their policy to give me a refund because the game was basically unplayable. But for some reason I don't see the media doing all this chatter (and Watch Dogs Legion was presented as one of the next gen games...) I mean, they basically failed on the most basic feature of a game: the saving system. Game plain failed to save, had no save game button or whatsoever costing me 6 hours of gameplay or even more. Imagine getting back to a game and finding out you lost all your progress. Meanwhile in Cyberpunk 2077 it's the ocasional bug here and there, but nothing game breaking like the crybabies are saying.
  - lighthazard 6y ago
    > Microsoft Store against their policy to give me a refund because the game was basically unplayable They went against their refund policy? What was the reason? As for the game, I'm personally having fun with the main and side quests. Unfortunately, that's really all there is to the game and it feels like an Outerworlds-like game. If the cost of this game was 50% cheaper, I would definitely not be complaining. Still, it's sad to see that vehicles are all the same (except the ones you own yourself) and losing assets when looking away is always immersion breaking.
oneeyedpigeon 6y ago
What makes it a 'next-gen' game, apart from its seeming inability to run on current gen? Development started before current gen even existed, so it's reasonable to expect that it wasn't initially intended for next-next gen. If development took too long, the publisher should have been honest and dropped support for current gen rather than releasing a broken product and hoping no-one would notice.
chrisrhoden 6y ago
> Also, people shoulnd't expect a next-gen game to run well on prev-gen hardware, specially when we're speaking on the PS4 flat released back at 2013. Everyone is piling on this, but this is _literally not_ the next-gen release. That's supposed to come as a patch that was slated for release next year - what has been released was explicitly framed as a PS4 / XboxOne release that ran on new consoles because of backward compatibility.
ojnabieoot 6y ago
> Also, people shoulnd't expect a next-gen game to run well on prev-gen hardware What a ridiculous excuse. If a developer releases a game for a console, it should run well on that console. If the game is too fancy for the console then it shouldn’t be released. And if the developer insists that the game runs well on a given console, but they never release screenshots and it turns out they were lying, then their behavior is truly deceptive and inexcusable. This Barnum-esque idea that it’s PS4 owners’ fault for letting CD Projekt Red rip them off is gross. Although it’s pretty funny that the suggestion always comes from people who think they’re defending CD Projekt Red.
gilrain 6y ago
This is not a next gen game. The console version is for PS4 and XB1; people playing it on the new consoles are using backwards compatibility. A next gen version is planned but hasn't been released yet. The game is functionally broken in the consoles it was built and released for; only PC is having an acceptable experience.

dagw 6y ago

Also, people shoulnd't expect a next-gen game to run well on prev-gen hardware That's the whole point of consoles. I absolutely expect to be able to buy any game where the box says "PS4" and have it be playable on a "PS4".

traveler01 6y ago
I mean that's the thing, some people say it's playable others say it isnt. I mean haven't tried it and played on my Xbox Series X and it's fine. I'm not the usual console gamer, I just bought my first console and afaik these consoles aren't just plug and play anymore. Refund policies need to change IMO.
- overkalix 6y ago
  If a game is marketed towards PC and multiple consoles, I expect the game to run equally well on all platforms. This isn't the case. Stop relativizing the issues, please.
  - traveler01 6y ago
    I just love how people are so selective with Cyberpunk even though other triple-A titles get away with worse. Specially since the game was released 2 weeks ago and still receiving updates very fast which means in a month it will run fine.

kjakm 6y ago

>> people shoulnd't expect a next-gen game to run well on prev-gen hardware I don’t understand this sentiment. The game’s been in development for 8 years and was scheduled to launch before next-gen hardware. They partnered with MS on a custom skin last-gen Xbox. The game plays in comparability mode in next-gen hardware. In no way was this billed as a next-gen game.

dagw 6y ago
The game’s been in development for 8 years They announced that their next project would be based on Cyberpunk 2020 8 years ago. They only actively started development ~4 years ago. But yea, the original release date was way before the PS5 etc. where even announced.
traveler01 6y ago
Maybe the issue was when they tried to improve graphic quality for next gen and PCs they fucked up the last gen thing. If I'd guess any better they weren't expecting this blowing out of proportions for that...
- mercer 6y ago
  It's so, so much more than that. Even if the game had no bugs, it's nothing like what it was presented to be. And no, not by the 'fanboys' but by CDPR themselves. I'd probably have bought the game on discount if I knew it was, much like Witcher 3, a mediocre game in most ways other than visuals, and in some ways actually a step down from their previous title. But I bought this one on preorder because it was presented as not just 'The Witcher 3, but Cyberpunk and wonkier in most ways', but a game that would do an open world well, and so much more. Normally I don't preorder games, but I gave CDPR the benefit of the doubt. The fact that Sony, of all companies, is actually offering refunds, should make it clear that this game is terrible. It's fine that you enjoy it, but why try to argue it's all 'blown out of proportion' or that 'fanboys expected too much'. Can't you just enjoy the game without needing validation?
  - oneeyedpigeon 6y ago

bathtub365 6y ago

This game has numerous issues, even on PC. The menu UX is horrendous, there are numerous ridiculous bugs concerning characters T-posing, clipping through world geometry, animations failing to play or have key objects characters are supposed to interact with floating in random places. These taken together make the game seem like a sloppy mess, regardless of how much money they appear to have poured into the rendering pipeline. The fact that the game is such a disaster on current gen consoles should not be excused when a game’s production cycle has predominantly been during those consoles existence. Why are we letting companies off the hook when they advertise a product and fail to deliver, because we perceive that hardware as being unable to handle it? Rockstar has excelled at launching games of a similar complexity across multiple console generations. GTAV ran on hardware 2 generations old so let’s not pretend that this is out of reach for a AAA developer with hundreds of staff. I have little sympathy for a major developer and publisher failing to live up to the hype that they created or courted, and leaned into up until a disastrous release.

traveler01 6y ago
I played for 35 hours and I haven't noticed that much issues and some glitches even make me laugh. Meanwhile in Watch Dogs Legion Microsoft Store went against their policy to give me a refund because the game was basically unplayable. But for some reason I don't see the media doing all this chatter (and Watch Dogs Legion was presented as one of the next gen games...) I mean, they basically failed on the most basic feature of a game: the saving system. Game plain failed to save, had no save game button or whatsoever costing me 6 hours of gameplay or even more. Imagine getting back to a game and finding out you lost all your progress. Meanwhile in Cyberpunk 2077 it's the ocasional bug here and there, but nothing game breaking like the crybabies are saying.
- lighthazard 6y ago
  > Microsoft Store against their policy to give me a refund because the game was basically unplayable They went against their refund policy? What was the reason? As for the game, I'm personally having fun with the main and side quests. Unfortunately, that's really all there is to the game and it feels like an Outerworlds-like game. If the cost of this game was 50% cheaper, I would definitely not be complaining. Still, it's sad to see that vehicles are all the same (except the ones you own yourself) and losing assets when looking away is always immersion breaking.

oneeyedpigeon 6y ago

What makes it a 'next-gen' game, apart from its seeming inability to run on current gen? Development started before current gen even existed, so it's reasonable to expect that it wasn't initially intended for next-next gen. If development took too long, the publisher should have been honest and dropped support for current gen rather than releasing a broken product and hoping no-one would notice.

chrisrhoden 6y ago

> Also, people shoulnd't expect a next-gen game to run well on prev-gen hardware, specially when we're speaking on the PS4 flat released back at 2013. Everyone is piling on this, but this is _literally not_ the next-gen release. That's supposed to come as a patch that was slated for release next year - what has been released was explicitly framed as a PS4 / XboxOne release that ran on new consoles because of backward compatibility.

ojnabieoot 6y ago

> Also, people shoulnd't expect a next-gen game to run well on prev-gen hardware What a ridiculous excuse. If a developer releases a game for a console, it should run well on that console. If the game is too fancy for the console then it shouldn’t be released. And if the developer insists that the game runs well on a given console, but they never release screenshots and it turns out they were lying, then their behavior is truly deceptive and inexcusable. This Barnum-esque idea that it’s PS4 owners’ fault for letting CD Projekt Red rip them off is gross. Although it’s pretty funny that the suggestion always comes from people who think they’re defending CD Projekt Red.

gilrain 6y ago

This is not a next gen game. The console version is for PS4 and XB1; people playing it on the new consoles are using backwards compatibility. A next gen version is planned but hasn't been released yet. The game is functionally broken in the consoles it was built and released for; only PC is having an acceptable experience.