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I am surprised that no one talked about Apple's hypocrisy here. They will not be showing any of these warning to any of their application. If they are really i

I am surprised that no one talked about Apple's hypocrisy here. They will not be showing any of these warning to any of their application. If they are really interested in privacy then they should be doing for all the applications including their own.

tpetry 6y ago
Are they doing? Is the books or podcast app harvesting information for better app store ads? This is an honest question! I have not yet seen any hint for this, but that does not mean they dont do it.
- Klonoar 6y ago
  I've interviewed with the iCloud/CloudKit teams and I'm reasonably certain that the way they dogfood it internally means that they use the same setup we do, where the same ID isn't persisted across applications. People like to claim that Apple gets a free pass here but they legitimately do seem to build their apps more or less silo'd, as they should be. If you want the soundbite: if Apple tracked you across apps, their recommendation systems (be it app store or whatever) wouldn't royally suck. But they do. ;P
  - lovecg 6y ago
    > If you want the soundbite: if Apple tracked you across apps, their recommendation systems (be it app store or whatever) wouldn't royally suck. But they do. ;P It’s honestly a breath of fresh air. There’s no sleazy salesman vibe that comes with a lot of overly personalized recommendations.
- djxfade 6y ago
  Analytics is still allowed in iOS. The problem with Facebooks approach, is that they link that data with cookie tracking, making them able to track you around on all websites and apps that integrates a login with Facebook, or a share and like button.
- toper-centage 6y ago
  They can do it because the user is logged in in all those apps. It's the same apple ecosystem. The problem is really that Facebook tracks you outside their ecosystem. App developers and website marketers have been willing to sell out their users to Facebook and Google in return for some analytics.
  - polyomino 6y ago
    In return for more effective ads.
l31g 6y ago
Apple posts the same information for their apps on the App Store.
NietTim 6y ago
You're making a few assumptions here. Apple apps work in all the same ways that other apps do, they have no special privileges. And these rules aren't only for facebook, they are for all apps, so including apple apps. Where is the hypocrisy?
- deleted 6y ago
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- zstring 6y ago
  ohh if that's not the case then I am sorry for the calling Apple an hypocrite. can you point me to some links which tells that it will be same for the Apple.
echelon 6y ago
Apple might be good for privacy (against 3rd parties - Apple still has your info), but they're terrible for freedom. If you value your freedom and liberty, this is hypocritical. Apple benefits from their revenue stream not being dependent on advertising, but they're just as unjust in locking down their devices and preventing competition and open computing. At the end of the day, I think lack of freedom is worse than eroded privacy. They're both bad, but freedom is essential.
tchalla 6y ago
Apple won’t show this warning to any apps that don’t track you across apps and websites, including theirs. Where’s the hypocrisy?

tpetry 6y ago

Are they doing? Is the books or podcast app harvesting information for better app store ads? This is an honest question! I have not yet seen any hint for this, but that does not mean they dont do it.

Klonoar 6y ago
I've interviewed with the iCloud/CloudKit teams and I'm reasonably certain that the way they dogfood it internally means that they use the same setup we do, where the same ID isn't persisted across applications. People like to claim that Apple gets a free pass here but they legitimately do seem to build their apps more or less silo'd, as they should be. If you want the soundbite: if Apple tracked you across apps, their recommendation systems (be it app store or whatever) wouldn't royally suck. But they do. ;P
- lovecg 6y ago
  > If you want the soundbite: if Apple tracked you across apps, their recommendation systems (be it app store or whatever) wouldn't royally suck. But they do. ;P It’s honestly a breath of fresh air. There’s no sleazy salesman vibe that comes with a lot of overly personalized recommendations.
djxfade 6y ago
Analytics is still allowed in iOS. The problem with Facebooks approach, is that they link that data with cookie tracking, making them able to track you around on all websites and apps that integrates a login with Facebook, or a share and like button.
toper-centage 6y ago
They can do it because the user is logged in in all those apps. It's the same apple ecosystem. The problem is really that Facebook tracks you outside their ecosystem. App developers and website marketers have been willing to sell out their users to Facebook and Google in return for some analytics.
- polyomino 6y ago
  In return for more effective ads.

l31g 6y ago

Apple posts the same information for their apps on the App Store.

NietTim 6y ago

You're making a few assumptions here. Apple apps work in all the same ways that other apps do, they have no special privileges. And these rules aren't only for facebook, they are for all apps, so including apple apps. Where is the hypocrisy?

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zstring 6y ago
ohh if that's not the case then I am sorry for the calling Apple an hypocrite. can you point me to some links which tells that it will be same for the Apple.

echelon 6y ago

Apple might be good for privacy (against 3rd parties - Apple still has your info), but they're terrible for freedom. If you value your freedom and liberty, this is hypocritical. Apple benefits from their revenue stream not being dependent on advertising, but they're just as unjust in locking down their devices and preventing competition and open computing. At the end of the day, I think lack of freedom is worse than eroded privacy. They're both bad, but freedom is essential.

tchalla 6y ago

Apple won’t show this warning to any apps that don’t track you across apps and websites, including theirs. Where’s the hypocrisy?