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Personally, I see it as a user hostile change.
by Crontab 6y ago
Personally, I see it as a user hostile change.
- jhayward 6y agoReally? Approximately how many users, would you say, will be unable to install MacOS as a result?
- heavyset_go 6y agoWell, I run Linux on my Mac, and I legally virtualize macOS in a VM on my Mac, so this could impact my ability to do so.
- fastball 6y agoThat might make you unique haha.
- baldfat 6y agoHow does VM Mac on a Mac as a developer make one unique?
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- fastball 6y agoBuying a mac, installing linux as your daily driver, and then running macOS in a VM? I honestly don't even know why you'd do that. I certainly have never heard of anyone doing that until now.
- thekyle 6y agoI think it's more common to virtualize macOS on a Mac running macOS.
- fastball 6y agoSure, but that is not the setup I interpreted from his comment, as I'm unsure why you would mention linux if the point of the comment was about virtualizing macOS on macOS.
- thekyle 6y agoYes, I understand. But if you can't install macOS in VM on Linux (on a Mac) then you most likely can't do it in a VM on macOS either.
- craftinator 6y agoLikely because he wants more than a sliver of control over his OS.
- fastball 6y agoWhy?
- phs318u 6y agoOut of interest, would you mind describing your setup? i.e. hardware, linux distro, VM tech and macOS version?
- mschuster91 6y agoNot the poster you're replying to, but a cheesegrater MP4.1 with Debian and this package (https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM https://github.com/kholia/OSX-KVM) works just fine. Never bothered with GPU passthrough however.
- heavyset_go 6y agoIt's nothing special. I use Kubuntu on a MBP, and I've talked about how I've setup Plasma Desktop before on HN[1][2]. I run Catalina in a VM because it's the oldest macOS version that supports the APIs I'm developing against. I used to use KVM for virtualizing macOS, but VirtualBox[3] is more portable despite being much slower, so I use that now. If you can use KVM with Virtio and VFIO passthrough, it's really fast. Linux just got Virtio-fs[4], too. I've had to pass boot options to the kernel to get the IOMMU to play nicely on the Mac, though, and I just don't have patience for that these days. [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23607374 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23607374 [2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25172499 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=25172499 [3] https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox https://github.com/myspaghetti/macos-virtualbox [4] https://virtio-fs.gitlab.io/ https://virtio-fs.gitlab.io/
- phs318u 6y agoThanks. I've got an MBA6,2 lying around so may give it a go over the holidays.
- heavyset_go 6y agoLinux runs really well on Macbooks that came out before 2016. I've found powertop, TLP and TLP-GUI, and mbpfan to be useful laptop and Mac-specific tools on Linux.
- jhayward 6y agoSo, you run Linux on your Mac and virtualize MacOS but won't be able to locate and download the installer as others have indicated?
- heavyset_go 6y agoI haven't actually looked into it, hence why I said it could impact my ability to do so.
- ksk 6y agoIs your argument that we shouldn't care, or is your argument that it is not user hostile? Just curious. I'm not personally affected, and my Apple outrage cup is already filled up with their sustained anti-repair pro-landfill stance.
- simonh 6y agohttps://www.businessinsider.com/apple-greenest-tech-company-greenpeace-2017-1?r=US&IR=T https://www.businessinsider.com/apple-greenest-tech-company-... If you actually do care about the environmental impact of your electronics, Greenpeace are the real deal. They look into the details from renewable energy use, eliminating toxic materials, average device lifetimes to reduce device churn and recyclability, there's one clear option out of the big device manufacturers and it's not even close.
- ksk 6y agoOh are we playing a link game now? https://www.fastcompany.com/40561811/greenpeace-to-apple-forget-the-robots-and-make-iphones-repairable https://www.fastcompany.com/40561811/greenpeace-to-apple-for...
- simonh 6y agoYes that’s completely true. However repairability only matters environmentally because it helps the device have a longer useful lifetime. iPhones have the longest useful lifetimes of any smartphones anyway though, so they’re still clearly the best choice overall. My one criticism of the a Greenpeace report I think is that they don’t really put enough weight on average device working lifetime. It’s a direct multiplier on every other factor.
- ksk 6y ago>iPhones have the longest useful lifetimes of any smartphones anyway though, so they’re still clearly the best choice overall. Not exactly, because other phones can be repaired which extends their life. Apple's doesn't do board repair themselves, and blocks others from doing it as well. This means more components end up in land fills. Apple's own extended warranty program makes billions of dollars. And the repair industry itself is quite large - millions maybe hundreds of millions of dollars per year. Apple products clearly fail and need repair at some point or another. I hope you'll join everyone else in demanding Apple stop opposing right to repair legislation.
- varvar 6y agoApple Bad Fanboy Club