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One more step towards making a unified OS for both desktop and mobile. There hasn't been a single MacOS update that hasn't inched ever closer to this obvious e

One more step towards making a unified OS for both desktop and mobile. There hasn't been a single MacOS update that hasn't inched ever closer to this obvious eventual goal. One day you won't access actual files, they will be some abstract thing that can only be accessed via authenticated APIs. No "Apple account" -> no ability to use your device.

bonoboTP 6y ago
People I know who use Apple products wouldn't care. They want things to "just work" and to get their tasks done. If that's within some restrictive paid app they don't care, Apple device owners aren't penny pinchers. Seriously,who are the Apple users that are shocked by more and more locking down, less repairability, fewer ports and cross-brand compatibility etc? Anyone who cares about that stuff in my environment is already on Linux on desktop and Android on mobile. Apple has its own universe and its fans like it that way. Software and hardware tightly coupled and designed together, apps highly vetted and filtered in a walled garden, compatibility among Apple devices is ensured, you can do fewer things and are kept between guardrails but are less likely to screw something up or run into bugs and untested territory etc. Seems like there's a market for this. The problem is when people have the wrong expectations and don't use existing alternatives that are better suited to their preferences.
- gt565k 6y ago
  Meh I was an android user, linux etc, but apple's products do just work. In addition, their closed eco system allows for longer shelf life of their products as they maintain them. Every damn android phone I had, within a year or 2 max, the updates stopped, I would be multiple major versions behind. Android is a disaster as there's so many hardware variations and screen sizes. Developing great apps that work on all phones is a pain. Don't get me started on Linux where the graphics drivers are just shit. Every thinkpad and other laptop I had always had some issue recognizing external monitors on boot and bugging out. One monitor would work, another wouldn't, then the actual laptop display wouldn't but a monitor would. Even as a developer and tinker, I got tired of having to spend countless hours fixing bugs and shortcomings of products that should just work. I'd never own anything but a macbook pro for software development. Apple does it right.
  - fastball 6y ago
    Yep, this is exactly how I feel. When I was a teen, I was annoyed by how locked down iOS was, so I participated heavily in the jailbreak community. Jailbreak exploits, apps, mods, themes, repos – you name it, I got involved. So every time Apple made iOS harder to jailbreak, I'd get annoyed. I'd swear eventually I'd give up on iOS altogether and move somewhere else. But in the end, the opposite happened. I got older, and I realized that really, truly, if I was being honest with myself, I didn't need all the "openness" that I was spending so many hours working towards. As time went on, the fiddling I was doing in deeper levels of the OS became more and more unnecessary. All the openness did was make my device less stable and less secure (except in the case of comex's JBM2/PDF exploit, which was patched by jailbreakers before Apple had released 4.0.2, but I think that is the exception that makes the rule). And I guess maybe that is why I'm not as worried about these changes as other hackers are. Apple started out with a locked-down iPhoneOS that didn't even have a 3rd party App Store. You couldn't get more closed. Time went on and Apple made it harder and harder to open, but added more and more functionality. I was worried about the trajectory when I was younger, but now I've just bought an iPhone 12 Pro and it's the best phone I've ever owned, and I don't even care enough about jailbreaking to check if I can. So I'm not worried about macOS either.
  - hesarenu 6y ago
    I use years old device Android device which work fine. When you do not get updates does not mean your mobile stops working. If you are a developer then Linux should be you choice unless you are iOS developer. Then you have no option but to use a Mac.
    - Toutouxc 6y ago
      > When you do not get updates does not mean your mobile stops working No, it only means that any vulnerability present in the system stays on your phone forever. > If you are a developer then Linux should be you choice unless you are iOS developer. Listen up folks! All of you doing Mac native apps, Windows native apps, embedded stuff on windows-only tool chains and millions of other things, this guy says you're doing it wrong.
    - 6y ago
- pjmlp 6y ago
  I have followed Apple universe since the days of the original Mac model, nowadays use them occasionally at work. From my point of view, the people that complain usually only got into the platform post OS X introduction, many of them only care about BSD/Homebrew with a pretty face and aren't at all interested into developer ecosystem of what actually makes a Mac a Mac.
- WesolyKubeczek 6y ago
  Just you wait until their account is banned for some petty reason (like sending a message with a bad word in it, or supporting a wrong kind of politician, or using a wrong site).
- amatecha 6y ago
  I've used Apple products "full time" since the late 80's and I definitely care. :) I have probably ~20 Macs in my home. Though, you're right, a pretty big percentage of people just don't seem to care about this kind of thing, at least consciously. They may dislike some specific frictional aspect of these limitations, but never quite understand the technical/practical reasons behind them. When I first got into Macs, my first experiences of dabbling with the system was being able to edit literally anything on the computer with ResEdit, renaming key system-related files and menu items, or the shutdown message, or change key-commands of menu items in programs I used. I felt like I could do anything. This sense of control and ownership over my computer has slowly decreased as they become more abstract and DRM/gatekeeping/security seeps into every inch of their architecture.

bonoboTP 6y ago

People I know who use Apple products wouldn't care. They want things to "just work" and to get their tasks done. If that's within some restrictive paid app they don't care, Apple device owners aren't penny pinchers. Seriously,who are the Apple users that are shocked by more and more locking down, less repairability, fewer ports and cross-brand compatibility etc? Anyone who cares about that stuff in my environment is already on Linux on desktop and Android on mobile. Apple has its own universe and its fans like it that way. Software and hardware tightly coupled and designed together, apps highly vetted and filtered in a walled garden, compatibility among Apple devices is ensured, you can do fewer things and are kept between guardrails but are less likely to screw something up or run into bugs and untested territory etc. Seems like there's a market for this. The problem is when people have the wrong expectations and don't use existing alternatives that are better suited to their preferences.

gt565k 6y ago
Meh I was an android user, linux etc, but apple's products do just work. In addition, their closed eco system allows for longer shelf life of their products as they maintain them. Every damn android phone I had, within a year or 2 max, the updates stopped, I would be multiple major versions behind. Android is a disaster as there's so many hardware variations and screen sizes. Developing great apps that work on all phones is a pain. Don't get me started on Linux where the graphics drivers are just shit. Every thinkpad and other laptop I had always had some issue recognizing external monitors on boot and bugging out. One monitor would work, another wouldn't, then the actual laptop display wouldn't but a monitor would. Even as a developer and tinker, I got tired of having to spend countless hours fixing bugs and shortcomings of products that should just work. I'd never own anything but a macbook pro for software development. Apple does it right.
- fastball 6y ago
  Yep, this is exactly how I feel. When I was a teen, I was annoyed by how locked down iOS was, so I participated heavily in the jailbreak community. Jailbreak exploits, apps, mods, themes, repos – you name it, I got involved. So every time Apple made iOS harder to jailbreak, I'd get annoyed. I'd swear eventually I'd give up on iOS altogether and move somewhere else. But in the end, the opposite happened. I got older, and I realized that really, truly, if I was being honest with myself, I didn't need all the "openness" that I was spending so many hours working towards. As time went on, the fiddling I was doing in deeper levels of the OS became more and more unnecessary. All the openness did was make my device less stable and less secure (except in the case of comex's JBM2/PDF exploit, which was patched by jailbreakers before Apple had released 4.0.2, but I think that is the exception that makes the rule). And I guess maybe that is why I'm not as worried about these changes as other hackers are. Apple started out with a locked-down iPhoneOS that didn't even have a 3rd party App Store. You couldn't get more closed. Time went on and Apple made it harder and harder to open, but added more and more functionality. I was worried about the trajectory when I was younger, but now I've just bought an iPhone 12 Pro and it's the best phone I've ever owned, and I don't even care enough about jailbreaking to check if I can. So I'm not worried about macOS either.
- hesarenu 6y ago
  I use years old device Android device which work fine. When you do not get updates does not mean your mobile stops working. If you are a developer then Linux should be you choice unless you are iOS developer. Then you have no option but to use a Mac.
  - Toutouxc 6y ago
    > When you do not get updates does not mean your mobile stops working No, it only means that any vulnerability present in the system stays on your phone forever. > If you are a developer then Linux should be you choice unless you are iOS developer. Listen up folks! All of you doing Mac native apps, Windows native apps, embedded stuff on windows-only tool chains and millions of other things, this guy says you're doing it wrong.
  - 6y ago
pjmlp 6y ago
I have followed Apple universe since the days of the original Mac model, nowadays use them occasionally at work. From my point of view, the people that complain usually only got into the platform post OS X introduction, many of them only care about BSD/Homebrew with a pretty face and aren't at all interested into developer ecosystem of what actually makes a Mac a Mac.
WesolyKubeczek 6y ago
Just you wait until their account is banned for some petty reason (like sending a message with a bad word in it, or supporting a wrong kind of politician, or using a wrong site).
amatecha 6y ago
I've used Apple products "full time" since the late 80's and I definitely care. :) I have probably ~20 Macs in my home. Though, you're right, a pretty big percentage of people just don't seem to care about this kind of thing, at least consciously. They may dislike some specific frictional aspect of these limitations, but never quite understand the technical/practical reasons behind them. When I first got into Macs, my first experiences of dabbling with the system was being able to edit literally anything on the computer with ResEdit, renaming key system-related files and menu items, or the shutdown message, or change key-commands of menu items in programs I used. I felt like I could do anything. This sense of control and ownership over my computer has slowly decreased as they become more abstract and DRM/gatekeeping/security seeps into every inch of their architecture.