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"The honey isn’t your store-bought, pristine golden syrup smelling faintly of HFCS. It’s straight up honeycomb, teeming with bees and larvae and pollen and the

"The honey isn’t your store-bought, pristine golden syrup smelling faintly of HFCS. It’s straight up honeycomb, teeming with bees and larvae and pollen and the queenly secretions called royal jelly. In fact, studies tend to emphasize that the Hadza get 15-50% of their calories not from honey, but from “honey and bee larvae.”" -https://www.marksdailyapple.com/hadza-honey/ https://www.marksdailyapple.com/hadza-honey/ They aren't eating the honey that your or I eat. Not to mention, they're probably far more physically active.

dilap 6y ago
That's a good point (especially for anyone considering making store-bought honey a staple of their diet), and an interesting observation, but even so, they would still, at the extreme end of 50% larva, be getting something like overall 25% of their calories from a "rocket fuel" of simple sugar. So I remain convinced that the main problem with modern processed food is not the amount or makeup of the carbs, but more likely the novel ingredients and quantities of fats. The Hadza do move a lot, but not a crazy amount: about 2 hours per day of "moderate to vigerous physical activity." https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/01/03/507562845/staying-fit-isnt-a-new-years-resolution-for-these-hunter-gatherers https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/01/03/5075628... I would predict that 2 hours of exercise a day are not going to save you from a diet of twinkies and oreos; exercise is great, but eating healthy food is critical.
- petertodd 6y ago
  2 hours average of "moderate to vigorous" physical activity is not a trivial amount. I've personally lost a lot of weight (~12kg) doing less than that amount of average exercise consistently, while eating a crap diet (I moved, and started commuting to work and school via bike). Anyway, at the end of the day calories in/calories out is a hard limit. Sure, they may be getting even 50% of their diet from "rocket fuel". But if they're calorie constrained by a hunter/gatherer lifestyle, why would that matter?
  - dilap 6y ago
    I didn't say it was trivial, just not a crazy amount! :-) No doubt calories in/calories out must ultimately be obeyed, and you could w/ strictly controlled feeding achieve any weight you want by titrating calories, but I think people often misinterpret this fact to mean that any two isocaloric diets will result in the same weight; that's untrue because the "out" side of the equation is not constant -- different foods have different effects on your metabolism. (And also appetite, which from a pratical perspective, is also hugely important -- most people don't rigerously eat X calories, they eat until they don't feel like eating anymore.)

dilap 6y ago

That's a good point (especially for anyone considering making store-bought honey a staple of their diet), and an interesting observation, but even so, they would still, at the extreme end of 50% larva, be getting something like overall 25% of their calories from a "rocket fuel" of simple sugar. So I remain convinced that the main problem with modern processed food is not the amount or makeup of the carbs, but more likely the novel ingredients and quantities of fats. The Hadza do move a lot, but not a crazy amount: about 2 hours per day of "moderate to vigerous physical activity." https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/01/03/507562845/staying-fit-isnt-a-new-years-resolution-for-these-hunter-gatherers https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2017/01/03/5075628... I would predict that 2 hours of exercise a day are not going to save you from a diet of twinkies and oreos; exercise is great, but eating healthy food is critical.

petertodd 6y ago
2 hours average of "moderate to vigorous" physical activity is not a trivial amount. I've personally lost a lot of weight (~12kg) doing less than that amount of average exercise consistently, while eating a crap diet (I moved, and started commuting to work and school via bike). Anyway, at the end of the day calories in/calories out is a hard limit. Sure, they may be getting even 50% of their diet from "rocket fuel". But if they're calorie constrained by a hunter/gatherer lifestyle, why would that matter?
- dilap 6y ago
  I didn't say it was trivial, just not a crazy amount! :-) No doubt calories in/calories out must ultimately be obeyed, and you could w/ strictly controlled feeding achieve any weight you want by titrating calories, but I think people often misinterpret this fact to mean that any two isocaloric diets will result in the same weight; that's untrue because the "out" side of the equation is not constant -- different foods have different effects on your metabolism. (And also appetite, which from a pratical perspective, is also hugely important -- most people don't rigerously eat X calories, they eat until they don't feel like eating anymore.)