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I dont understand what is secretive about Pornhub and Mindgeek, it is pretty obvious that Redtube, Pornhub, Youporn,... belongs to the same entity as there is a

by polote 6y ago

I dont understand what is secretive about Pornhub and Mindgeek, it is pretty obvious that Redtube, Pornhub, Youporn,... belongs to the same entity as there is a banner at the top named "PornHub network". There are several Pornhub employees, reading HN, answering questions same happens on Reddit, they are pretty transparent actually. I don't understand why we need those articles making feel like we are in science fiction. If you want really secret businesses look into dating apps or Google/Facebook ads Edit: and just to add, imagine how hard is it to run pornhub. Even though watching porn is one of the most common leisure in the world. Nobody want to work with them, nobody want to rent them servers, nobody want to sell them their ads, nobody want to be their payment processor ,... because porn is taboo. So yeah they probably have to find tricky ways to do things. At the end of the day they only make 500m of revenu, which is nothing, Tinder only is making 3-4 times that.

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420codebro 6y ago
You’re daft as fuck rofl. The reason there is controversy is Pornhub and Mindgeek host revenge and child porn.
stephen_greet 6y ago
Pornhub is not the victim here. Not being able to rent server space and being raped consistently for other people's pleasure are not even in the same universe. You act as if the founders of Pornhub didn't have agency in choosing, founding, and growing their business. I can only hope the Pornhub founders are comfortable "only" making 500m of revenue on the back of vulnerable people. I feel so bad for them...
scott31 6y ago
Their secrecy comes from using PHP, they don't want their families and friends to know
- hn_throwaway_99 6y ago
  Lol! Friend: So where do you work? Employee: Pornhub! I work on machine learning algorithms that automatically tag millions of porn videos for specific fetishes! Friend: OK... What language do you program in? Employee: Erm, well, uh, nevermind, it's a special hypertext preprocessor language, you've probably never heard of it.
  - ufoolme 6y ago
    Is it Perl? I bet it is ...
cghendrix 6y ago
Would be curious what the average TC is for a SWE.
- freeone3000 6y ago
  Montreal salary, so around $60k CAD.
  - sdf131 6y ago
    I make 300k in Montreal and know tons of people in the same range. I don't know TC for Mindgeek but 60k is not even close to the "typical" Montreal salary
    - NineStarPoint 6y ago
      Just because you run in circles with people who make super high salaries doesn’t mean they’re that common. Unsurprisingly, people who make 300k TC are more likely than the average to meet other people who make 300k TC. That said all the numbers I’m finding online are more in in 80-100k Canadian dollars range for salary for the average, so 60k is definitely extremly low for TC.
    - dwild 6y ago
      Plenty do make 60k and 300k is pretty far from being "typical" in Montreal. I agree though that 60k isn't typical, that would be close to the starting salary. I'm still new though, so couldn't say what's typical, but I think 80k would be a pretty good bet.
      - sdf131 6y ago
        120-150k is closer to the average I would say if you work for a public company or a well funded start-up Top of band for Senior at Shopify is low 200s (varies a bit depending on USD exchange rates) without stock appreciation and it's not particularly competitive
    - deaddodo 6y ago
tomc1985 6y ago
I think this is article is Ars Technica scraping the bottom of the barrel for eyeballs. The past few years they have a really nasty habit of publishing low-effort fluff pieces that cater to whatever is the current zeitgeist PornHub purging all the content they did is remarkable, and certain kinds of content on the site are all but gone. They've likely lost a lot of viewership that way.
- hellotomyrars 6y ago
  Ars is still generally good and I think they write mostly informed pieces that you don't see elsewhere every few months there is something just truly terrible/inane on there. They're also reposting Wired articles which are often not the best. This stands out as the single worst thing I've ever seen on their site: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/this-is-why-ill-never-shop-at-officemax-again-even-if-everything-is-free/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/this-is-why-ill-... Summary: Author whines about customer support experiences and makes an ass of themselves, then realizes that all their griping wasn't even necessary because if they had performed some basic troubleshooting they would have realized the problem was elsewhere all along. As for Pornhubs viewership, I don't think it will go down much. I imagine a large part of their audience just goes to the site and clicks on what looks good to them, maybe filtering by category or searching, but still, they see what's there and they click. Also in a roundabout way, since now everything on the site is either from their parent company, a partner company, or someone in their model program they are in control of all revenue and are more probably more likely to see people pay for content from their model program members, which they get a cut of.
  - tomc1985 6y ago
    Depends on one's tastes. There's a lot of fetish material from anonymous uploads that is simply gone. Which sucks for them, cause now I just go to xvideos As for Ars, they used to have a journo that would publish 10+ page reviews of the latest Mac OS release, and the dude had an extensive knowledge of Apple and Apple products. In a past life I was a journo for one of their competitors for a few years and my EIC was always pointing to Ars as our rival and competitor to take inspiration from. When our publication went downhill I turned to Ars to get the reporting that I wanted, and it feels like that well dried up a few years ago. In-depth technical articles replaced with inspiration porn and geek fan service. They went from being a slightly-less-nerdy Anandtech to a slightly geekier BuzzFeed or TechDirt Fuck Conde Nast!
vbezhenar 6y ago
I don't think that at their scale they have too much problems. I mean, "nobody" quickly will turn to "somebody" with higher prices. They might have problems with huge monopolists like VISA. But with any competitive business, as long as they don't break the law, they'll just pay higher premiums.
philistine 6y ago
This article has genuine information not easily accessible. The true owners of Mindgeek’s debt are still unknown. The title might be a bit forced, but nothing warranting so much derision.

by polote 6y ago

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420codebro 6y ago

You’re daft as fuck rofl. The reason there is controversy is Pornhub and Mindgeek host revenge and child porn.

stephen_greet 6y ago

Pornhub is not the victim here. Not being able to rent server space and being raped consistently for other people's pleasure are not even in the same universe. You act as if the founders of Pornhub didn't have agency in choosing, founding, and growing their business. I can only hope the Pornhub founders are comfortable "only" making 500m of revenue on the back of vulnerable people. I feel so bad for them...

scott31 6y ago

Their secrecy comes from using PHP, they don't want their families and friends to know

hn_throwaway_99 6y ago
Lol! Friend: So where do you work? Employee: Pornhub! I work on machine learning algorithms that automatically tag millions of porn videos for specific fetishes! Friend: OK... What language do you program in? Employee: Erm, well, uh, nevermind, it's a special hypertext preprocessor language, you've probably never heard of it.
- ufoolme 6y ago
  Is it Perl? I bet it is ...

cghendrix 6y ago

Would be curious what the average TC is for a SWE.

freeone3000 6y ago
Montreal salary, so around $60k CAD.
- sdf131 6y ago
  I make 300k in Montreal and know tons of people in the same range. I don't know TC for Mindgeek but 60k is not even close to the "typical" Montreal salary
  - NineStarPoint 6y ago
    Just because you run in circles with people who make super high salaries doesn’t mean they’re that common. Unsurprisingly, people who make 300k TC are more likely than the average to meet other people who make 300k TC. That said all the numbers I’m finding online are more in in 80-100k Canadian dollars range for salary for the average, so 60k is definitely extremly low for TC.
  - dwild 6y ago
    Plenty do make 60k and 300k is pretty far from being "typical" in Montreal. I agree though that 60k isn't typical, that would be close to the starting salary. I'm still new though, so couldn't say what's typical, but I think 80k would be a pretty good bet.
    - sdf131 6y ago
      120-150k is closer to the average I would say if you work for a public company or a well funded start-up Top of band for Senior at Shopify is low 200s (varies a bit depending on USD exchange rates) without stock appreciation and it's not particularly competitive
  - deaddodo 6y ago

tomc1985 6y ago

I think this is article is Ars Technica scraping the bottom of the barrel for eyeballs. The past few years they have a really nasty habit of publishing low-effort fluff pieces that cater to whatever is the current zeitgeist PornHub purging all the content they did is remarkable, and certain kinds of content on the site are all but gone. They've likely lost a lot of viewership that way.

hellotomyrars 6y ago
Ars is still generally good and I think they write mostly informed pieces that you don't see elsewhere every few months there is something just truly terrible/inane on there. They're also reposting Wired articles which are often not the best. This stands out as the single worst thing I've ever seen on their site: https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/this-is-why-ill-never-shop-at-officemax-again-even-if-everything-is-free/ https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2017/11/this-is-why-ill-... Summary: Author whines about customer support experiences and makes an ass of themselves, then realizes that all their griping wasn't even necessary because if they had performed some basic troubleshooting they would have realized the problem was elsewhere all along. As for Pornhubs viewership, I don't think it will go down much. I imagine a large part of their audience just goes to the site and clicks on what looks good to them, maybe filtering by category or searching, but still, they see what's there and they click. Also in a roundabout way, since now everything on the site is either from their parent company, a partner company, or someone in their model program they are in control of all revenue and are more probably more likely to see people pay for content from their model program members, which they get a cut of.
- tomc1985 6y ago
  Depends on one's tastes. There's a lot of fetish material from anonymous uploads that is simply gone. Which sucks for them, cause now I just go to xvideos As for Ars, they used to have a journo that would publish 10+ page reviews of the latest Mac OS release, and the dude had an extensive knowledge of Apple and Apple products. In a past life I was a journo for one of their competitors for a few years and my EIC was always pointing to Ars as our rival and competitor to take inspiration from. When our publication went downhill I turned to Ars to get the reporting that I wanted, and it feels like that well dried up a few years ago. In-depth technical articles replaced with inspiration porn and geek fan service. They went from being a slightly-less-nerdy Anandtech to a slightly geekier BuzzFeed or TechDirt Fuck Conde Nast!

vbezhenar 6y ago

I don't think that at their scale they have too much problems. I mean, "nobody" quickly will turn to "somebody" with higher prices. They might have problems with huge monopolists like VISA. But with any competitive business, as long as they don't break the law, they'll just pay higher premiums.

philistine 6y ago

This article has genuine information not easily accessible. The true owners of Mindgeek’s debt are still unknown. The title might be a bit forced, but nothing warranting so much derision.