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> Google then cut off her corporate access and terminated her employment immediately, ergo, firing. It's also unreasonable that she will get to choose her leav

> Google then cut off her corporate access and terminated her employment immediately, ergo, firing. It's also unreasonable that she will get to choose her leaving date at her own liking. When wanting to part way, either side has the full right to choose an earlier date. > If someone says, do this or I'll jump This is not a great analogy. I actually would go as far as saying people who use this analogy have malicious intent. When death is involved, everything else becomes secondary. Let's look at a small example. Say I'll commit suicide if you go and see your kids today. Now it's only one day, and you (as a decent person) will probably skip seeing your kids for one day to save one life. Now if I say I'll quit my job if you go to see your kids today. You would probably say "Then, please quit."

GVIrish 6y ago
> It's also unreasonable that she will get to choose her leaving date at her own liking. When wanting to part way, either side has the full right to choose an earlier date. People choose their end date all the time. That's just standard. Sometimes the company moves a date up, sometimes the two parties negotiate a different date for some reason, sometimes people are fired. If it's an at-will employment state, both parties can choose whatever date they like. But if the employer terminates employment early, that's generally a firing. If an employment does so, we call it quitting. > Let's look at a small example. Say I'll commit suicide if you go and see your kids today. Now it's only one day, and you (as a decent person) will probably skip seeing your kids for one day to save one life. > Now if I say I'll quit my job if you go to see your kids today. You would probably say "Then, please quit." Use whatever analogy works for you, ultimately the point is the same. Someone can threaten to do something, but if you do it for them it's different than if they do it themselves. If someone says "I'll quit" and the company disables their badge and security escorts them out, they've been fired.
- ergocoder 6y ago
  > People choose their end date all the time. That is absolutely false. Either side has the full right to choose an earlier date. You can choose an earlier date to leave. Company can also choose an earlier date for you to leave. > If someone says "I'll quit" and the company disables their badge and security escorts them out, they've been fired Do you expect to choose your exit date at your own liking at any date at your comfort? We can agree to disagree. Saying you're fired when you actually give the ultimatum seems dishonest. I thought Timnit was supposed to be a role model of high ethics.

GVIrish 6y ago

> It's also unreasonable that she will get to choose her leaving date at her own liking. When wanting to part way, either side has the full right to choose an earlier date. People choose their end date all the time. That's just standard. Sometimes the company moves a date up, sometimes the two parties negotiate a different date for some reason, sometimes people are fired. If it's an at-will employment state, both parties can choose whatever date they like. But if the employer terminates employment early, that's generally a firing. If an employment does so, we call it quitting. > Let's look at a small example. Say I'll commit suicide if you go and see your kids today. Now it's only one day, and you (as a decent person) will probably skip seeing your kids for one day to save one life. > Now if I say I'll quit my job if you go to see your kids today. You would probably say "Then, please quit." Use whatever analogy works for you, ultimately the point is the same. Someone can threaten to do something, but if you do it for them it's different than if they do it themselves. If someone says "I'll quit" and the company disables their badge and security escorts them out, they've been fired.

ergocoder 6y ago
> People choose their end date all the time. That is absolutely false. Either side has the full right to choose an earlier date. You can choose an earlier date to leave. Company can also choose an earlier date for you to leave. > If someone says "I'll quit" and the company disables their badge and security escorts them out, they've been fired Do you expect to choose your exit date at your own liking at any date at your comfort? We can agree to disagree. Saying you're fired when you actually give the ultimatum seems dishonest. I thought Timnit was supposed to be a role model of high ethics.