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There has been some news lately regarding UFO's that have been very strange, regarding government knowledge and disclosures. Things started in 2017 with TTSA a

There has been some news lately regarding UFO's that have been very strange, regarding government knowledge and disclosures. Things started in 2017 with TTSA and the Pentagon's acknowledgment of a series of videos regarding craft that showed strange movements of a unknown craft[1]. The fact is there is a pentagon program looking into this phenomenon, whether they are a psyops organization designed to deceive or mislead the public or a genuine org that is fact finding is yet to be revealed. Couple that with the acknowledgement of a series of fantastic technology patents that show off technologies not known by mainstream science by a engineer in the Navy [2]. Even more interesting is some of the technology in the Navy patents(room temperature superconducting) has recently been shown to be feasible(although with strict environmental controls) by MIT [3]. I am uncertain what is going here, If these craft are indeed genuine my suspicion is the Govt has made a lightspeed advance in technology and these craft being seen are products from a unknown skunkworks, if that is not the case than possibly China has made the leap. If they are not genuine, then the US is running a brazenly deceptive misinformation campaign with the media(and China). The other alternatives which would be a truly unknown source, or a known extraterrestrial source. The last two being least probable. [1] - https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/insider/secret-pentagon-ufo-program.html https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/18/insider/secret-pentagon-u... [2] - https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en https://patents.google.com/patent/US10144532B2/en [2] - https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-got-ufo-patent-granted-by-warning-of-similar-chinese-tech-advances https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/28729/docs-show-navy-g... [3] - https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/14/1010370/room-temperature-superconductivity/ https://www.technologyreview.com/2020/10/14/1010370/room-tem...

wcarss 6y ago
There is a pretty big misunderstanding in your third point, and the article kind of laid the trap for an uncautious reader to fall into it: room-temperature superconductors, as an idea, are not a new or unusual concept. The breakthroughs from CFS (the MIT fusion spinoff) are in specific production techniques and uses of known superconductor materials that are "high temperature", but not "room temperature". They are (excitingly) industrializing some well-established science. The other 'recent breakthroughs' in room-temperature superconductors are similar to many accomplishments in the past, i.e., they were achieved under extremely high pressures, and do not operate on anything related to the concepts that Pais describes in his navy patents. The Pais patents and these other works are not related; these new 'breakthroughs' do not grant Pais' work any bonus of credulity -- but lots of reporting out there relies on only briefly noting that fact, and hoping that readers may glaze over it and see connections where there are none. edit: furthermore, the relationship between the patents and the videos as a concerted campaign has also been left for readers to make -- it's part of what makes this into some 'overall narrative', and what makes reading about these bits fun, but as I suggested in another comment, this background detail from the article on the patent process, I feel, begins to suggest concretely that the timing of all this UFO-ish stuff is (unfortunately!) just coincidence.
imperio59 6y ago
Let's add this one to the list... https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405 https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chie...
- motoboi 6y ago
  This one seems very odd. I don't know if you guys ever had a chance to hear the stories someone with severe mental illness can create. I had and they seem a lot with what this gentleman is saying. It's a blend of real and fantastic facts. They give those things names we already now. Think about it: why would a galactic spanning organisation be called "Galactic Federation"? Why not another name?
  - jumby 6y ago
    Like: uuuurrrrloooop gleeeick flurrrumpa
    - JohnBooty 6y ago
      Any theoretical galaxy-scale organization welcoming us as a new member is certainly savvy enough to translate things into our language, right? The moment of first contact with a race of nuclear-armed savages is uh, pretty fraught, I'd imagine. If I was in charge of that alien delegation, you best believe I'd have a well-rehearsed slide deck translated into the humans' native dialect(s)! Sincerely, glrorpoepopo pvivinsinoborpo from gleebinimus alpha
      - jumby 6y ago
        Hi glrorpoepopo pvivinsinoborpo, Are the aliens using PowerPoint, now? Oh goodness, not sure I welcome our new galactic overlords.
        JohnBooty 6y ago
        I can't say we enjoy PowerPoint either, but we watched you guys for quite a while and it seemed to be what you prefer!
NortySpock 6y ago
More like "The Navy and Air Force realized that UFO reporting was being laughed at, which could result in pilots not reporting new Chinese or Russian aircraft (manned or drone) they saw on patrol but could not identify." Not reporting sightings that actually happened could lead to major blind spots for DoD planning. So the DoD is trying to normalize UFO reporting in hopes of keeping tabs on Chinese and Russian aircraft. Commander: "What do you mean, you've 'seen those fancy new stealth fighters' before?!? They're flying over our base!!!" Fighter pilot: "Sorry sir, we thought it was a UFO and it wasn't in the briefings before, so we didn't report it because we'd look dumb." Intel guy: "Uh, yeah, I've got intelligence photos of these from spy sats, but since none of you had ever seen one, you weren't need-to-know... yet. We've seen them on the tarmac, but we have no idea what they're loaded with." https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/us-navy-guidelines-reporting-ufos-1375290 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/us-navy-guidelines...
- rmrfstar 6y ago
  Has anyone ever seen one of these things with their eyeballs? Or is it all... electronic sensors? US electronic warfare is top shelf sorcery.
  - dogma1138 6y ago
    The pilots seen them with their Mark I EyeBalls.
  - NortySpock 6y ago
    Joe Rogan interviewed David Fravor, a retired Navy pilot, alongside a documentary maker who was interested in UFOs. The conversation was cautious but not particularly skeptical. It sounded like Mr. Fravor saw something in his airspace with his own two eyes. I don't know what it was (blimp, foreign aircraft, whatever), though I doubt it was extraterrestrial. (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence) I couldn't spot anything obviously wrong with Mr. Fravor's story by itself. On the other hand, if the DoD wanted to nudge their pilots to report things they see, and had a story like David Fravor's to put out there in order to encourage current pilots to report what they see, that would be a propaganda event to encourage, so to speak, at least by declassifying harmless footage and not squashing the story. https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ
wolverine876 6y ago
What's most odd is that the aliens behave just like they are part of a human conspiracy theory. What's most disturbing is that openness to crackpot theories now extends into high levels of national institutions. How many make the argument, 'these things are unexplained'. Lots of things are unexplained; the difference between crackpot and real is evidence - publicly available evidence - that supports it. And evidence of odd phenomena is not at all evidence that they was caused by aliens - centuries ago, it would have been attributed to a god or demon. Remember that 'I don't know' is a normal human condition - get used to it. The Israeli general who claimed that Trump would soon reveal an alien presence among us also said > Eshed explained that the timing was simply due to how much the academic landscape has changed, and how respected he is in academia. / "If I had come up with what I’m saying today five years ago, I would have been hospitalized," he explained to Yediot. / "'today, they’re already talking differently [a bout alients]. I have nothing to lose. I’ve received my degrees and awards; I am respected in universities abroad, where the trend is also changing.'" https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405 https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chie... Really? Is that serious? People need to be really, really troubled. Disinformation is flooding society.
- jml7c5 6y ago
  It's not a new phenomenon. Heck, this story even has some of the same players: Hal Puthoff is mentioned in the article because he's still a part of the government research scene. (He's the crackpot who did remote viewing experiments for the CIA in the 70s. He helped promote the fradulent spoon-bending "psychic" Uri Geller.) He was involved in the AATIP, a pet project of Senator Harry Reid, and the source of the Navy UFO videos.
  - ncmncm 6y ago
    The CIA "remote viewing experiments" were part of a PSY-OPS against the American public, and, incidentally, anybody spying. If he was involved there, that ties it all together. I.e., there were not ever, actually, any such experiments, or any of the other obvious BS. There was, instead, an operation to convince people that there had been such experiments. The operation was a success: people do believe it, to this day. "Men Who Stare at Goats" is a terrifying book by Jon Ronson exploring the program. You have to read between the lines to pick up the full consequence. This stuff has all the hallmarks of such an operation. It is hard to imagine what point it could have. What we know that we don't know is what they are up to, or why. The patent language is spume blown off the top of the wave. The wave itself we have no information about. Talking about "intergalactic flight" is fundamentally the kookiest bit. What galaxy would you fly to, and why? There are a trillion solar systems a thousand times closer, in our own galaxy. Surely one or two of those would be of some interest? Or a planet, a trillion times closer than that?

wcarss 6y ago

There is a pretty big misunderstanding in your third point, and the article kind of laid the trap for an uncautious reader to fall into it: room-temperature superconductors, as an idea, are not a new or unusual concept. The breakthroughs from CFS (the MIT fusion spinoff) are in specific production techniques and uses of known superconductor materials that are "high temperature", but not "room temperature". They are (excitingly) industrializing some well-established science. The other 'recent breakthroughs' in room-temperature superconductors are similar to many accomplishments in the past, i.e., they were achieved under extremely high pressures, and do not operate on anything related to the concepts that Pais describes in his navy patents. The Pais patents and these other works are not related; these new 'breakthroughs' do not grant Pais' work any bonus of credulity -- but lots of reporting out there relies on only briefly noting that fact, and hoping that readers may glaze over it and see connections where there are none. edit: furthermore, the relationship between the patents and the videos as a concerted campaign has also been left for readers to make -- it's part of what makes this into some 'overall narrative', and what makes reading about these bits fun, but as I suggested in another comment, this background detail from the article on the patent process, I feel, begins to suggest concretely that the timing of all this UFO-ish stuff is (unfortunately!) just coincidence.

imperio59 6y ago

Let's add this one to the list... https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405 https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chie...

motoboi 6y ago
This one seems very odd. I don't know if you guys ever had a chance to hear the stories someone with severe mental illness can create. I had and they seem a lot with what this gentleman is saying. It's a blend of real and fantastic facts. They give those things names we already now. Think about it: why would a galactic spanning organisation be called "Galactic Federation"? Why not another name?
- jumby 6y ago
  Like: uuuurrrrloooop gleeeick flurrrumpa
  - JohnBooty 6y ago
    Any theoretical galaxy-scale organization welcoming us as a new member is certainly savvy enough to translate things into our language, right? The moment of first contact with a race of nuclear-armed savages is uh, pretty fraught, I'd imagine. If I was in charge of that alien delegation, you best believe I'd have a well-rehearsed slide deck translated into the humans' native dialect(s)! Sincerely, glrorpoepopo pvivinsinoborpo from gleebinimus alpha
    - jumby 6y ago
      Hi glrorpoepopo pvivinsinoborpo, Are the aliens using PowerPoint, now? Oh goodness, not sure I welcome our new galactic overlords.
      - JohnBooty 6y ago
        I can't say we enjoy PowerPoint either, but we watched you guys for quite a while and it seemed to be what you prefer!

NortySpock 6y ago

More like "The Navy and Air Force realized that UFO reporting was being laughed at, which could result in pilots not reporting new Chinese or Russian aircraft (manned or drone) they saw on patrol but could not identify." Not reporting sightings that actually happened could lead to major blind spots for DoD planning. So the DoD is trying to normalize UFO reporting in hopes of keeping tabs on Chinese and Russian aircraft. Commander: "What do you mean, you've 'seen those fancy new stealth fighters' before?!? They're flying over our base!!!" Fighter pilot: "Sorry sir, we thought it was a UFO and it wasn't in the briefings before, so we didn't report it because we'd look dumb." Intel guy: "Uh, yeah, I've got intelligence photos of these from spy sats, but since none of you had ever seen one, you weren't need-to-know... yet. We've seen them on the tarmac, but we have no idea what they're loaded with." https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/us-navy-guidelines-reporting-ufos-1375290 https://www.politico.com/story/2019/04/23/us-navy-guidelines...

rmrfstar 6y ago
Has anyone ever seen one of these things with their eyeballs? Or is it all... electronic sensors? US electronic warfare is top shelf sorcery.
- dogma1138 6y ago
  The pilots seen them with their Mark I EyeBalls.
- NortySpock 6y ago
  Joe Rogan interviewed David Fravor, a retired Navy pilot, alongside a documentary maker who was interested in UFOs. The conversation was cautious but not particularly skeptical. It sounded like Mr. Fravor saw something in his airspace with his own two eyes. I don't know what it was (blimp, foreign aircraft, whatever), though I doubt it was extraterrestrial. (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence) I couldn't spot anything obviously wrong with Mr. Fravor's story by itself. On the other hand, if the DoD wanted to nudge their pilots to report things they see, and had a story like David Fravor's to put out there in order to encourage current pilots to report what they see, that would be a propaganda event to encourage, so to speak, at least by declassifying harmless footage and not squashing the story. https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ https://youtu.be/Eco2s3-0zsQ

wolverine876 6y ago

What's most odd is that the aliens behave just like they are part of a human conspiracy theory. What's most disturbing is that openness to crackpot theories now extends into high levels of national institutions. How many make the argument, 'these things are unexplained'. Lots of things are unexplained; the difference between crackpot and real is evidence - publicly available evidence - that supports it. And evidence of odd phenomena is not at all evidence that they was caused by aliens - centuries ago, it would have been attributed to a god or demon. Remember that 'I don't know' is a normal human condition - get used to it. The Israeli general who claimed that Trump would soon reveal an alien presence among us also said > Eshed explained that the timing was simply due to how much the academic landscape has changed, and how respected he is in academia. / "If I had come up with what I’m saying today five years ago, I would have been hospitalized," he explained to Yediot. / "'today, they’re already talking differently [a bout alients]. I have nothing to lose. I’ve received my degrees and awards; I am respected in universities abroad, where the trend is also changing.'" https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405 https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chie... Really? Is that serious? People need to be really, really troubled. Disinformation is flooding society.

jml7c5 6y ago
It's not a new phenomenon. Heck, this story even has some of the same players: Hal Puthoff is mentioned in the article because he's still a part of the government research scene. (He's the crackpot who did remote viewing experiments for the CIA in the 70s. He helped promote the fradulent spoon-bending "psychic" Uri Geller.) He was involved in the AATIP, a pet project of Senator Harry Reid, and the source of the Navy UFO videos.
- ncmncm 6y ago
  The CIA "remote viewing experiments" were part of a PSY-OPS against the American public, and, incidentally, anybody spying. If he was involved there, that ties it all together. I.e., there were not ever, actually, any such experiments, or any of the other obvious BS. There was, instead, an operation to convince people that there had been such experiments. The operation was a success: people do believe it, to this day. "Men Who Stare at Goats" is a terrifying book by Jon Ronson exploring the program. You have to read between the lines to pick up the full consequence. This stuff has all the hallmarks of such an operation. It is hard to imagine what point it could have. What we know that we don't know is what they are up to, or why. The patent language is spume blown off the top of the wave. The wave itself we have no information about. Talking about "intergalactic flight" is fundamentally the kookiest bit. What galaxy would you fly to, and why? There are a trillion solar systems a thousand times closer, in our own galaxy. Surely one or two of those would be of some interest? Or a planet, a trillion times closer than that?