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That's quite the statement considering that there's lots of PoC, women, queer people, sexual abuse victims, etc who have been suffering through toxic work envir

That's quite the statement considering that there's lots of PoC, women, queer people, sexual abuse victims, etc who have been suffering through toxic work environments for ages. What makes this group "the most toxic group" you've ever heard of?

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
Considering that she has started falsely calling her former coworkers including Jeff Dean a bunch of racists who fired her for being black, I’ll agree that she sounds extremely “toxic” and essentially impossible to have in your team. I don’t really understand where you get the idea that those minority groups have it any worse these days.
- microtherion 6y ago
  It appears that some people in her management hierarchy (notably NOT including her direct manager, who thought highly of her) found themselves in conflict with her. Her peers (which is more how I would generally define "coworker") appear to be backing her in this conflict, and blaming management as well. A number of posters (mostly using throwaway accounts) are interpreting this as a group of fair and reasonable managers being beset by the most toxic team that ever toxied in the history of toxicity. I submit that the facts in evidence permit the opposite hypothesis: That it is Google that has difficulties living up to ethical standards of conduct, and that it is the management of the ethical AI team that is not living up to their professional responsibilities. For all the posturing about Social Justice Warriors run amok, the idea that Google has some 'splaining to do about its conduct is not exactly confined to left wing circles, as evidenced e.g. by yesterday's lawsuit filed by Texas et al. And I suspect it's exactly this increased scrutiny that is leading to these ham-handed and probably counterproductive attempts to first hire "ethical AI" teams and then try to silence their output.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

Considering that she has started falsely calling her former coworkers including Jeff Dean a bunch of racists who fired her for being black, I’ll agree that she sounds extremely “toxic” and essentially impossible to have in your team. I don’t really understand where you get the idea that those minority groups have it any worse these days.

microtherion 6y ago
It appears that some people in her management hierarchy (notably NOT including her direct manager, who thought highly of her) found themselves in conflict with her. Her peers (which is more how I would generally define "coworker") appear to be backing her in this conflict, and blaming management as well. A number of posters (mostly using throwaway accounts) are interpreting this as a group of fair and reasonable managers being beset by the most toxic team that ever toxied in the history of toxicity. I submit that the facts in evidence permit the opposite hypothesis: That it is Google that has difficulties living up to ethical standards of conduct, and that it is the management of the ethical AI team that is not living up to their professional responsibilities. For all the posturing about Social Justice Warriors run amok, the idea that Google has some 'splaining to do about its conduct is not exactly confined to left wing circles, as evidenced e.g. by yesterday's lawsuit filed by Texas et al. And I suspect it's exactly this increased scrutiny that is leading to these ham-handed and probably counterproductive attempts to first hire "ethical AI" teams and then try to silence their output.