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NASA and aviation in general are later adopters of lead-free. It definitely wouldn't have been reflected in older standards.

segfaultbuserr 6y ago
AFAIK, lead-free soldering is never enforced in space applications. An exemption is granted because of its extremely high reliability requirements.
mauvehaus 6y ago
On several levels. Avgas is still leaded.
- octoberfranklin 6y ago
  Wow, that's disgusting.
  - scrumper 6y ago
    It's pretty limited. Avgas doesn't mean jet fuel, as used by commercial aviation, it means the stuff you pump into piston engine light aircraft. Plus, at the risk of being obvious, the exhaust is either emitted way up in the air or, if at ground level, out in the middle of nowhere at an airport.
- jcims 6y ago
  Whoa, that's crazy. It's going to take 50+ years to get the current engines out of operation. I wonder if new engines are able to run without.
  - synack 6y ago
    Yes, there are light aircraft that run on diesel.
  - mauvehaus 6y ago
    Not a pilot or aircraft owner, but my understanding is that part of the problem is because certifying a new aero engine is insanely onerous (as is certifying anything that goes on an airplane), a lot of basically obsolete designs requiring leaded fuel were produced long after auto engines switched to not requiring leaded gas. Why would an engine require leaded gas, you ask? Because it helps keep the valve seats from degrading. We have other anti-knock additives, but nobody has figured out a replacement for the other properties that lead has. And since aircraft are usually extremely long-lived, we'll be stuck with this problem until a substitute is found. Merely certifying new engines that don't require lead won't solve the problem because of the remainder of the fleet that does require leaded gas.
- dpifke 6y ago
  For those who want to know more about this: https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=14754 https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=1... Essentially, we still don't have a viable replacement. The FAA was tasked with coming up with one by the end of 2018, but has been extended to 2021.
xxs 6y ago
leaded solder is still allowed in the EU for medical equipment for instance.

segfaultbuserr 6y ago

AFAIK, lead-free soldering is never enforced in space applications. An exemption is granted because of its extremely high reliability requirements.

mauvehaus 6y ago

On several levels. Avgas is still leaded.

octoberfranklin 6y ago
Wow, that's disgusting.
- scrumper 6y ago
  It's pretty limited. Avgas doesn't mean jet fuel, as used by commercial aviation, it means the stuff you pump into piston engine light aircraft. Plus, at the risk of being obvious, the exhaust is either emitted way up in the air or, if at ground level, out in the middle of nowhere at an airport.
jcims 6y ago
Whoa, that's crazy. It's going to take 50+ years to get the current engines out of operation. I wonder if new engines are able to run without.
- synack 6y ago
  Yes, there are light aircraft that run on diesel.
- mauvehaus 6y ago
  Not a pilot or aircraft owner, but my understanding is that part of the problem is because certifying a new aero engine is insanely onerous (as is certifying anything that goes on an airplane), a lot of basically obsolete designs requiring leaded fuel were produced long after auto engines switched to not requiring leaded gas. Why would an engine require leaded gas, you ask? Because it helps keep the valve seats from degrading. We have other anti-knock additives, but nobody has figured out a replacement for the other properties that lead has. And since aircraft are usually extremely long-lived, we'll be stuck with this problem until a substitute is found. Merely certifying new engines that don't require lead won't solve the problem because of the remainder of the fleet that does require leaded gas.
dpifke 6y ago
For those who want to know more about this: https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=14754 https://www.faa.gov/news/fact_sheets/news_story.cfm?newsId=1... Essentially, we still don't have a viable replacement. The FAA was tasked with coming up with one by the end of 2018, but has been extended to 2021.

xxs 6y ago

leaded solder is still allowed in the EU for medical equipment for instance.