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According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Sweden is the 24th country for deaths per million. They're b

According to https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/ Sweden is the 24th country for deaths per million. They're better off than some countries with strict lockdowns like France, Italy etc

0dayz 6y ago
That has more todo with population density and health infrastructure.
- jmnicolas 6y ago
  My point was that the king shouldn't be so gloomy: they don't have more deaths relatively to other countries AND they saved their economy.
  - evgen 6y ago
    They had significantly higher death rates than their similar neighbors and they DIDN'T 'save' their economy.
evgen 6y ago
If you compare them to neighbors with the same initial infection timelines and vectors, similar population density, cultural norms and habits that were relatively the same, as well as matching socio-economic status you will see that Sweden failed miserably at handling Covid.
- thu2111 6y ago
  More propaganda. You're ignoring the variable that matters most: excess death in the previous year. https://www.aier.org/article/swedens-dry-tinder-accounts-for-many-covid-19-deaths/ https://www.aier.org/article/swedens-dry-tinder-accounts-for... Include that and you can find the reason for this supposed mystery: Sweden had an extremely low number of deaths in 2019 compared to its neighbours. They'd have regressed to the trend sooner or later anyway, whether it be via flu or natural attrition, but it ended up being COVID. This comparison also assumes there are somehow great differences between European countries, that Sweden and France are as incomparable as Sweden and Saudi Arabia or India. Nobody ever presents an argument for why that is, so these "don't look at France or the UK, Sweden can only be compared to Norway" argumetns end up looking like motivated reasoning. Swedish deaths are not going to be anything remarkable this year compared over the last 10 years. Probably 3-5% higher than the 10 year average, so a few thousand deaths, all of whom will have been very old. For a supposedly deadly pandemic that's pretty good.
ardy42 6y ago
> They're better off than some countries with strict lockdowns like France, Italy etc That's an apples and oranges comparison. Sweden is far worse off than their neighbors, that are far more similar to it than France and Italy. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-restrictions.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/world/europe/sweden-coron...: > Infection numbers and deaths have been rising steadily since October. By Tuesday, Sweden had reached a total of 320,098 cases since the beginning of the pandemic, while its neighbor Finland, with a population about half of Sweden’s, has 31,110 cases, less than 10 percent of Sweden’s. > Sweden’s total death toll reached 7,667 as of Tuesday. The country now has 74 deaths per 100,000 people, less than the United Kingdom, with 97, but far more than its neighbor Norway, with seven.

0dayz 6y ago

That has more todo with population density and health infrastructure.

jmnicolas 6y ago
My point was that the king shouldn't be so gloomy: they don't have more deaths relatively to other countries AND they saved their economy.
- evgen 6y ago
  They had significantly higher death rates than their similar neighbors and they DIDN'T 'save' their economy.

evgen 6y ago

If you compare them to neighbors with the same initial infection timelines and vectors, similar population density, cultural norms and habits that were relatively the same, as well as matching socio-economic status you will see that Sweden failed miserably at handling Covid.

thu2111 6y ago
More propaganda. You're ignoring the variable that matters most: excess death in the previous year. https://www.aier.org/article/swedens-dry-tinder-accounts-for-many-covid-19-deaths/ https://www.aier.org/article/swedens-dry-tinder-accounts-for... Include that and you can find the reason for this supposed mystery: Sweden had an extremely low number of deaths in 2019 compared to its neighbours. They'd have regressed to the trend sooner or later anyway, whether it be via flu or natural attrition, but it ended up being COVID. This comparison also assumes there are somehow great differences between European countries, that Sweden and France are as incomparable as Sweden and Saudi Arabia or India. Nobody ever presents an argument for why that is, so these "don't look at France or the UK, Sweden can only be compared to Norway" argumetns end up looking like motivated reasoning. Swedish deaths are not going to be anything remarkable this year compared over the last 10 years. Probably 3-5% higher than the 10 year average, so a few thousand deaths, all of whom will have been very old. For a supposedly deadly pandemic that's pretty good.

ardy42 6y ago

> They're better off than some countries with strict lockdowns like France, Italy etc That's an apples and oranges comparison. Sweden is far worse off than their neighbors, that are far more similar to it than France and Italy. https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/world/europe/sweden-coronavirus-restrictions.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/12/15/world/europe/sweden-coron...: > Infection numbers and deaths have been rising steadily since October. By Tuesday, Sweden had reached a total of 320,098 cases since the beginning of the pandemic, while its neighbor Finland, with a population about half of Sweden’s, has 31,110 cases, less than 10 percent of Sweden’s. > Sweden’s total death toll reached 7,667 as of Tuesday. The country now has 74 deaths per 100,000 people, less than the United Kingdom, with 97, but far more than its neighbor Norway, with seven.