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Everyone completely lost the point of lockdowns, which is to simply severely limit the spread of the disease until health care system is reorganized to face the

Everyone completely lost the point of lockdowns, which is to simply severely limit the spread of the disease until health care system is reorganized to face the challenge. If your hospitals can accept patients and nobody is left outside to die on their own, because there's no capacity in country, then by no means you can say that you failed. It's absolute insanity to throw your country in the pit of perpetual isolation in order to "save everyone." You can't save everyone even if you home-jail 100% of the population. The virus will not magically disappear no matter what you do, especially when it's do contagious. This guy is being a populist just like anyone else nowadays. Say and do whatever nets you more upvotes.

ruslanbogan 6y ago
A huge amount of people in care homes died of covid because the government neglected to handle the situation properly according to a Swedish inquiry https://www.ft.com/content/e66b2d2b-aa70-4866-a9cb-2cd095f4f6cf https://www.ft.com/content/e66b2d2b-aa70-4866-a9cb-2cd095f4f...
- lsllc 6y ago
  The same thing happened in the US North East, NY, MA, CT, NJ -- the majority (e.g. over 2/3) of deaths are in long term care homes. That is the problem to solve, lockdown or not, in most countries we have utterly failed to protect our most vulnerable people. In fact I'd go as far as arguing that lockdowns and restrictions for the general population have diverted attention and effort from protecting the LTC homes & the vulnerable.
  - rasz 6y ago
    No, Swedes didnt send infected seniors back to Nursing Homes like Cuomo. https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-new-york-andrew-cuomo-elections-nursing-homes-5212e305921c250eb6cba4f6f246fc4d https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-new-york-andrew-cu... "March 25 order that sent thousands of recovering COVID-19 patients from hospitals into nursing homes at the height of the pandemic."
    - lsllc 6y ago
      Regardless, states other than NY also didn't prevent it getting in via staffers, visitors or delivery folks or however it got in there and have a similar, terrible LTC death toll. As an engineer, if you gave me this problem, I'd secure every LTC home with 24hr police / national guard. All staff would be do 3 weeks on, 3 off, but while "on" (think oil rig workers), living on-site in trailers or [hm]otels, not going home every night (movies do this when filming on location; juries get sequestered for important trials, why can't we do this here?). When staff go on-shift, they must be isolated and then tested before being allowed to go onsite. Deliveries left on the loading dock and properly sanitized, and no visitors -- AT ALL. For Medical emergencies (local FD / EMTs), the resident & 1st responders would have to be isolated for triage, then taken off-site and go back through quarantine / testing to get back in. It's totally doable and the cost is a heck of a lot less than an economic shutdown / lockdown, or the continued high death toll.
jariel 6y ago
The point of lockdown is to bring the total number of outstanding cases way down, so that society can reset, not just hospitals. If it's out of control, it needs to be brought under control after which time incrementally more open measures can be taken.

ruslanbogan 6y ago

A huge amount of people in care homes died of covid because the government neglected to handle the situation properly according to a Swedish inquiry https://www.ft.com/content/e66b2d2b-aa70-4866-a9cb-2cd095f4f6cf https://www.ft.com/content/e66b2d2b-aa70-4866-a9cb-2cd095f4f...

lsllc 6y ago
The same thing happened in the US North East, NY, MA, CT, NJ -- the majority (e.g. over 2/3) of deaths are in long term care homes. That is the problem to solve, lockdown or not, in most countries we have utterly failed to protect our most vulnerable people. In fact I'd go as far as arguing that lockdowns and restrictions for the general population have diverted attention and effort from protecting the LTC homes & the vulnerable.
- rasz 6y ago
  No, Swedes didnt send infected seniors back to Nursing Homes like Cuomo. https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-new-york-andrew-cuomo-elections-nursing-homes-5212e305921c250eb6cba4f6f246fc4d https://apnews.com/article/virus-outbreak-new-york-andrew-cu... "March 25 order that sent thousands of recovering COVID-19 patients from hospitals into nursing homes at the height of the pandemic."
  - lsllc 6y ago
    Regardless, states other than NY also didn't prevent it getting in via staffers, visitors or delivery folks or however it got in there and have a similar, terrible LTC death toll. As an engineer, if you gave me this problem, I'd secure every LTC home with 24hr police / national guard. All staff would be do 3 weeks on, 3 off, but while "on" (think oil rig workers), living on-site in trailers or [hm]otels, not going home every night (movies do this when filming on location; juries get sequestered for important trials, why can't we do this here?). When staff go on-shift, they must be isolated and then tested before being allowed to go onsite. Deliveries left on the loading dock and properly sanitized, and no visitors -- AT ALL. For Medical emergencies (local FD / EMTs), the resident & 1st responders would have to be isolated for triage, then taken off-site and go back through quarantine / testing to get back in. It's totally doable and the cost is a heck of a lot less than an economic shutdown / lockdown, or the continued high death toll.

jariel 6y ago

The point of lockdown is to bring the total number of outstanding cases way down, so that society can reset, not just hospitals. If it's out of control, it needs to be brought under control after which time incrementally more open measures can be taken.