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Of course Vaynerchuk would say that - he's got his own "Social Media Expert" consulting business. http://vaynermedia.com/ http://vaynermedia.com/ "Social media

Of course Vaynerchuk would say that - he's got his own "Social Media Expert" consulting business. http://vaynermedia.com/ http://vaynermedia.com/ "Social media experts are mostly clowns! Except me. You can trust me."

garyvee 15y ago
Jaysonelliot I so get where you are coming from and I respect it, I really hate how sometimes we don't do a good job explaining where we are coming from and I did that here, I dont want to get business from this I was just referring to the issue at hand that this stuff needs to be looked at from a business sense not just saying here is "social media" I really respect your thoughts and please know if you knew me better you would know I am not coming from that direction at all!
- jaysonelliot 15y ago
  Totally fair. You made good points in the interview - my comment was made more in a spirit of good-natured ribbing, although I have to admit that the tone did not convey that properly. I'm actually quite familiar with the work you've done, and have a lot of respect for you. It's just too tempting to tweak anyone who speaks in hyperbole.
arkitaip 15y ago
That's a fallacy. Vaynerchuk could really be part of that 0.5% of social media experts who actually know what they are talking about. Someone has got to and Vaynerchuk has a pretty good track record as an entrepreneur and business strategist.
- code_duck 15y ago
  It wouldn't be a fallacy to say that since he is talking about his competition, he is not an unbiased source of opinions on the topic.
  - garyvee 15y ago
    Code_duck I really agree with your overall thesis on this but please know we are a small shop and I am not really looking to take over the social media world, not what i am really looking to do, but thnx for keeping it real!
    - code_duck 15y ago
      That's cool Gary, hope you guys keep on keepin' it real! I was commenting from a theoretical, logical standpoint, not really about you or your company in particular. A touch of that pedantry for which Hacker News is noted. Here, the best kind of correctness is 'technically correct'.
charlesju 15y ago
http://twitter.com/#!/garyvee http://twitter.com/#!/garyvee Nothing else, he has 850k followers on Twitter. Mostly organic. I think it is safe to say, 99.5% of "Social Media Experts" do not have 500k+ followers.
- moses1400 15y ago
  Wrong. He got his 850k followers thanks to being on the twitter suggested user list. He hasn't moved at all since the list changed - have a look and see. He is also an investor in Twitter.
  - garyvee 15y ago
    Moses its true I was on SUL and you bleed a lot of fake accounts, I am investor only by buying stock of Blaine Cook one of the early guys there. I hope u are super well
- jaysonelliot 15y ago
  How do you arrive at the conclusion that his follower list is "mostly organic?" It's true that having over 500k followers puts you in the top 700 Twitter users. It's equally true that having over 500k followers does not automatically make someone a "social media expert" (Donald Trump, Lindsay Lohan, & Nicole Richie are in that list - I don't think I'd hire them for social media strategy). Is it also true that you can't be a social media expert with <500k followers? I don't know the answer to that one, probably not. It's definitely true that Gary V's follower count alone does not confer expert status, nor deny it from anyone else.
  - garyvee 15y ago
    my follow count has no merit,the most I have is that I help build a 60 million dollar a year business ect.. again I didn't want to come at this from a bad place, I was trying to start a conversation that should be had
    - jaysonelliot 15y ago

garyvee 15y ago

Jaysonelliot I so get where you are coming from and I respect it, I really hate how sometimes we don't do a good job explaining where we are coming from and I did that here, I dont want to get business from this I was just referring to the issue at hand that this stuff needs to be looked at from a business sense not just saying here is "social media" I really respect your thoughts and please know if you knew me better you would know I am not coming from that direction at all!

jaysonelliot 15y ago
Totally fair. You made good points in the interview - my comment was made more in a spirit of good-natured ribbing, although I have to admit that the tone did not convey that properly. I'm actually quite familiar with the work you've done, and have a lot of respect for you. It's just too tempting to tweak anyone who speaks in hyperbole.

arkitaip 15y ago

That's a fallacy. Vaynerchuk could really be part of that 0.5% of social media experts who actually know what they are talking about. Someone has got to and Vaynerchuk has a pretty good track record as an entrepreneur and business strategist.

code_duck 15y ago
It wouldn't be a fallacy to say that since he is talking about his competition, he is not an unbiased source of opinions on the topic.
- garyvee 15y ago
  Code_duck I really agree with your overall thesis on this but please know we are a small shop and I am not really looking to take over the social media world, not what i am really looking to do, but thnx for keeping it real!
  - code_duck 15y ago
    That's cool Gary, hope you guys keep on keepin' it real! I was commenting from a theoretical, logical standpoint, not really about you or your company in particular. A touch of that pedantry for which Hacker News is noted. Here, the best kind of correctness is 'technically correct'.

charlesju 15y ago

http://twitter.com/#!/garyvee http://twitter.com/#!/garyvee Nothing else, he has 850k followers on Twitter. Mostly organic. I think it is safe to say, 99.5% of "Social Media Experts" do not have 500k+ followers.

moses1400 15y ago
Wrong. He got his 850k followers thanks to being on the twitter suggested user list. He hasn't moved at all since the list changed - have a look and see. He is also an investor in Twitter.
- garyvee 15y ago
  Moses its true I was on SUL and you bleed a lot of fake accounts, I am investor only by buying stock of Blaine Cook one of the early guys there. I hope u are super well
jaysonelliot 15y ago
How do you arrive at the conclusion that his follower list is "mostly organic?" It's true that having over 500k followers puts you in the top 700 Twitter users. It's equally true that having over 500k followers does not automatically make someone a "social media expert" (Donald Trump, Lindsay Lohan, & Nicole Richie are in that list - I don't think I'd hire them for social media strategy). Is it also true that you can't be a social media expert with <500k followers? I don't know the answer to that one, probably not. It's definitely true that Gary V's follower count alone does not confer expert status, nor deny it from anyone else.
- garyvee 15y ago
  my follow count has no merit,the most I have is that I help build a 60 million dollar a year business ect.. again I didn't want to come at this from a bad place, I was trying to start a conversation that should be had
  - jaysonelliot 15y ago