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This Yale study[1] collected data from every county in the US about which restrictions were in place and then tracked how many people got sick. Their data[2] di

This Yale study[1] collected data from every county in the US about which restrictions were in place and then tracked how many people got sick. Their data[2] distinguishes between “mask mandate” and a “mask recommendation” and the study author is quoted that the recommendation “doesn’t do anything”. Of course this is all US data so I’m not sure whether or to what extent it would apply to Sweden’s compliance with a mask recommendation vs mandate. [1]https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/study-shows-which-restrictions-prevent-covid-19-fatalities-and-which-appear-to-make-things?fbclid=IwAR1OCQaB4LLgO8a-mVmqVDuar_92F8BlRQ1yT507kLuL38QKnl29i5sqjkU https://insights.som.yale.edu/insights/study-shows-which-res... [2]https://som.yale.edu/covid-restrictions https://som.yale.edu/covid-restrictions

0x445442 6y ago
Yep. In order to claim something a failure you need objective criteria to begin with. In terms of Covid those objective criteria never existed and thus the King's claim has as much meaning and weight as mine that Sweden's handling of Covid has been a wild success compared to other countries.
- jgwil2 6y ago
  There are many objective criteria: case rate and death rate are just the most obvious.
  - 0x445442 6y ago
    Those two criteria make no case for mask mandates nor lockdowns. Also, looking at those to data points alone is a woefully inadquate model for policy decisions.
- learc83 6y ago
  The links in the comment you quoted were evidence in support of mask mandates. "while many of the available interventions work, mask mandates stand out for their effectiveness and relative lack of economic tradeoffs. “Mandatory mask policies seem to be as effective as policies that have higher costs,” says Tookes." The article is saying that mandating masks has a positive impact, but recommending them does nothing.
taeric 6y ago
My gut would be that the US is not very comparable to Sweden for compliance rates. Though, a lot of that will depend on how partisan the message has been there. Even here in the US, some mandates have gotten worse compliance than others.

0x445442 6y ago

Yep. In order to claim something a failure you need objective criteria to begin with. In terms of Covid those objective criteria never existed and thus the King's claim has as much meaning and weight as mine that Sweden's handling of Covid has been a wild success compared to other countries.

jgwil2 6y ago
There are many objective criteria: case rate and death rate are just the most obvious.
- 0x445442 6y ago
  Those two criteria make no case for mask mandates nor lockdowns. Also, looking at those to data points alone is a woefully inadquate model for policy decisions.
learc83 6y ago
The links in the comment you quoted were evidence in support of mask mandates. "while many of the available interventions work, mask mandates stand out for their effectiveness and relative lack of economic tradeoffs. “Mandatory mask policies seem to be as effective as policies that have higher costs,” says Tookes." The article is saying that mandating masks has a positive impact, but recommending them does nothing.

taeric 6y ago

My gut would be that the US is not very comparable to Sweden for compliance rates. Though, a lot of that will depend on how partisan the message has been there. Even here in the US, some mandates have gotten worse compliance than others.