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When I first saw the images I thought the tanks killed him/ran over him. That's what the first impression was. Then saw the video. Anyways, HN is not the plac

When I first saw the images I thought the tanks killed him/ran over him. That's what the first impression was. Then saw the video. Anyways, HN is not the place for geopolitical talk like this. And I dislike the trend of polluting the place with geopolitical rivalries.

dependsontheq 6y ago
So human rights are just a geopolitical issue?
- absolutelyrad 6y ago
  When an image gives the wrong first impression/is misleading, indeed they are. When doing with good intent, they're not. Since the US and China are rivals at this point and neither side wants to chill, and given the history of troll farms by many countries to manipulate discourse, I'd be wary of discussion that contributes to a solution.
- kkoncevicius 6y ago
  Human rights is a form of secular religion. They do not exist in the real world, enforcement of those rights depend on a shared value system, and they often have a corresponding religious alternative, like "human life is sacred". Since human rights can vary between geopolitical regions they can absolutely be looked at as a geopolitical issue, in the same way religious wars are geopolitical.
  - emptyparadise 6y ago
    I didn't realize something like "human life is sacred" was up for debate.
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    - nzmsv 6y ago
      That is not what the OP said. He said it is a religious idea. And it is. Look, you are even using the word "sacred". For some reason the word "religion" means something bad to you and so you are attacking the idea of something good ("human rights") being in the same sentence as "religion". The actual definition of religion is broader and can mean simply a set of shared ethics, which human rights clearly are.
      - emptyparadise 6y ago
        Perhaps I misunderstood OP's tone.
  - pacamara619 6y ago
    Imagine the mental gymnastics you have to go through to defend China's clear disregard for human rights and human life.
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lemonspat 6y ago
So by ‘debunked’ you mean to say that your impression was wrong and you’ve learned the correct information that most others already knew?
- absolutelyrad 6y ago
  Indeed. If most others know, good for them I guess. I didn't know, so I mentioned for others. I'm not well versed in Chinese history. And my impression wasn't wrong, most people would've thought that way too given the picture. Stop gaslighting.
- dang 6y ago
  Could you please stop creating accounts like this? We ban accounts that do that. It's in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. For HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=community%20identity%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... You needn't use your real name, of course.

dependsontheq 6y ago

So human rights are just a geopolitical issue?

absolutelyrad 6y ago
When an image gives the wrong first impression/is misleading, indeed they are. When doing with good intent, they're not. Since the US and China are rivals at this point and neither side wants to chill, and given the history of troll farms by many countries to manipulate discourse, I'd be wary of discussion that contributes to a solution.
kkoncevicius 6y ago
Human rights is a form of secular religion. They do not exist in the real world, enforcement of those rights depend on a shared value system, and they often have a corresponding religious alternative, like "human life is sacred". Since human rights can vary between geopolitical regions they can absolutely be looked at as a geopolitical issue, in the same way religious wars are geopolitical.
- emptyparadise 6y ago
  I didn't realize something like "human life is sacred" was up for debate.
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  - nzmsv 6y ago
    That is not what the OP said. He said it is a religious idea. And it is. Look, you are even using the word "sacred". For some reason the word "religion" means something bad to you and so you are attacking the idea of something good ("human rights") being in the same sentence as "religion". The actual definition of religion is broader and can mean simply a set of shared ethics, which human rights clearly are.
    - emptyparadise 6y ago
      Perhaps I misunderstood OP's tone.
- pacamara619 6y ago
  Imagine the mental gymnastics you have to go through to defend China's clear disregard for human rights and human life.
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lemonspat 6y ago

So by ‘debunked’ you mean to say that your impression was wrong and you’ve learned the correct information that most others already knew?

absolutelyrad 6y ago
Indeed. If most others know, good for them I guess. I didn't know, so I mentioned for others. I'm not well versed in Chinese history. And my impression wasn't wrong, most people would've thought that way too given the picture. Stop gaslighting.
dang 6y ago
Could you please stop creating accounts like this? We ban accounts that do that. It's in the site guidelines: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html. For HN to be a community, users need some identity for other users to relate to. Otherwise we may as well have no usernames and no community, and that would be a different kind of forum. https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix&page=0&query=community%20identity%20by:dang https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme... You needn't use your real name, of course.