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Tiananmen Square images that China does not want you to see

38 points by stanrivers 6y ago

DaiPlusPlus 6y ago
> "That China does want you to see" Surely that should be "does NOT want you to see"? ...or has the PRC suddenly been overcome with Glasnost and Perestroika and my phone didn't get the newsflash from Reuters?
- segfaultbuserr 6y ago
  > Surely that should be "does NOT want you to see"? Nope, it is "does". But I actually see both "desirable" and "undesirable" images, side-by-side in my results. Pretty funny.
- stanrivers 6y ago
  Just saved me big time! Just changed it to be correct... I often drop the negative when typing / writing. Makes no sense to me... I think the negative but just don't write or type it. Have thought about asking a smart psychologist or neurologist about that... I'm afraid they will just say that it is my own incompetence and nothing else :/
- pillop2 6y ago
  Great thing is, unlike the US and Assange situation, no foreigners will get life in prison for exposing pictures/history of China....
treeman79 6y ago
Good thing Censorship will never be a thing in the USA, ah crap...
- MrRiddle 6y ago
  Don’t worry, our censorship will be of a good kind. It will censor only liars and bad people.
  - treeman79 6y ago
    Yes. Good thing we have big tech and a whole party to keep us safe from other viewpoints. Why I bet soon we can even have free Red-education for misguided souls.
  - Stoic0 6y ago
    Ahhh but hate speech and nazis something something
  - Simulacra 6y ago
    As decided by a very small, but vocal minority that obviously represents the way it should be.
- emptyparadise 6y ago
  I don't think anyone is under the spell of freedom and the American way anymore. The US being shitty does not mean that other countries can't be criticized.
absolutelyrad 6y ago
The tank image has been debunked. The tanks stopped for the man, and didn't kill him.
- jmpman 6y ago
  Debunked? I’d always been told that this one man had stopped the column of tanks. Where had you heard that he had been run over?
  - absolutelyrad 6y ago
    When I first saw the images I thought the tanks killed him/ran over him. That's what the first impression was. Then saw the video. Anyways, HN is not the place for geopolitical talk like this. And I dislike the trend of polluting the place with geopolitical rivalries.
    - dependsontheq 6y ago
      So human rights are just a geopolitical issue?
      - absolutelyrad 6y ago
        When an image gives the wrong first impression/is misleading, indeed they are. When doing with good intent, they're not. Since the US and China are rivals at this point and neither side wants to chill, and given the history of troll farms by many countries to manipulate discourse, I'd be wary of discussion that contributes to a solution.
      - kkoncevicius 6y ago
        Human rights is a form of secular religion. They do not exist in the real world, enforcement of those rights depend on a shared value system, and they often have a corresponding religious alternative, like "human life is sacred". Since human rights can vary between geopolitical regions they can absolutely be looked at as a geopolitical issue, in the same way religious wars are geopolitical.
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38 points by stanrivers 6y ago

> "That China does want you to see" Surely that should be "does NOT want you to see"? ...or has the PRC suddenly been overcome with Glasnost and Perestroika and my phone didn't get the newsflash from Reuters?

segfaultbuserr 6y ago
> Surely that should be "does NOT want you to see"? Nope, it is "does". But I actually see both "desirable" and "undesirable" images, side-by-side in my results. Pretty funny.
stanrivers 6y ago
Just saved me big time! Just changed it to be correct... I often drop the negative when typing / writing. Makes no sense to me... I think the negative but just don't write or type it. Have thought about asking a smart psychologist or neurologist about that... I'm afraid they will just say that it is my own incompetence and nothing else :/
pillop2 6y ago
Great thing is, unlike the US and Assange situation, no foreigners will get life in prison for exposing pictures/history of China....

treeman79 6y ago

Good thing Censorship will never be a thing in the USA, ah crap...

MrRiddle 6y ago
Don’t worry, our censorship will be of a good kind. It will censor only liars and bad people.
- treeman79 6y ago
  Yes. Good thing we have big tech and a whole party to keep us safe from other viewpoints. Why I bet soon we can even have free Red-education for misguided souls.
- Stoic0 6y ago
  Ahhh but hate speech and nazis something something
- Simulacra 6y ago
  As decided by a very small, but vocal minority that obviously represents the way it should be.
emptyparadise 6y ago
I don't think anyone is under the spell of freedom and the American way anymore. The US being shitty does not mean that other countries can't be criticized.

absolutelyrad 6y ago

The tank image has been debunked. The tanks stopped for the man, and didn't kill him.

jmpman 6y ago
Debunked? I’d always been told that this one man had stopped the column of tanks. Where had you heard that he had been run over?
- absolutelyrad 6y ago
  When I first saw the images I thought the tanks killed him/ran over him. That's what the first impression was. Then saw the video. Anyways, HN is not the place for geopolitical talk like this. And I dislike the trend of polluting the place with geopolitical rivalries.
  - dependsontheq 6y ago
    So human rights are just a geopolitical issue?
    - absolutelyrad 6y ago
      When an image gives the wrong first impression/is misleading, indeed they are. When doing with good intent, they're not. Since the US and China are rivals at this point and neither side wants to chill, and given the history of troll farms by many countries to manipulate discourse, I'd be wary of discussion that contributes to a solution.
    - kkoncevicius 6y ago
      Human rights is a form of secular religion. They do not exist in the real world, enforcement of those rights depend on a shared value system, and they often have a corresponding religious alternative, like "human life is sacred". Since human rights can vary between geopolitical regions they can absolutely be looked at as a geopolitical issue, in the same way religious wars are geopolitical.

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