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sverhagen 6y ago
And... I would find clemency for Snowden an unexpected and unmitigated success. I would find clemency for Assange somewhat dubious, given the association with the Trump campaign. If that link (between Assange and the Trump campaign) really exists, wouldn't it be just more of Trump's transactional (awarding support or loyalty) pardoning... real or perceived at the least? Edit: clarifications in parenthesis.
- waheoo 6y ago
  What do you mean by link? What do you mean by transaction? Edit because downvotes usually mean people didn't understand what I meant it in this case probably thought I was getting at something. What link / transaction do you think happened between trump and Assange?
- CryptoPunk 6y ago
  Yes, but Assange's persecution was so clearly politically motivated that the benefits of a pardon outweigh the cons.
- newnamenewface 6y ago
  Which connection? So far as I understand it there was no definitional collusion between Trump and Russia specifically but I don't know about Assange.
  - ghayes 6y ago
    Roger Stone, a former Trump campaign advisor and friend, is a convicted felon due to his communication with Julian Assange and his subsequent cover-up during the FBI investigation. Trump commuted Roger Stone's sentence.
    - chrisco255 6y ago
      The entire Trump-Russia investigation was a political hit job and corruption of the highest order from our intelligence agencies. John Brennan knew this was hatched for and paid for by the Clinton campaign and the DNC and his note to Obama on this said as much: "According to the declassified notes, Brennan and the U.S. intelligence community knew months prior to the 2016 election that the collusion smear was the result of a campaign operation hatched by the campaign of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. “We’re getting additional insight into Russian activites from [REDACTED],” Brennan’s handwritten notes state. “Cite alleged approval by Hillary Clinton–on 26 July–of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to villify [sic] Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security services.”" https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/06/breaking-dni-declassifies-handwritten-notes-from-john-brennan-2016-cia-referral-on-clinton-campaigns-collusion-operation/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/06/breaking-dni-declassifi... So our intelligence community had exculpatory evidence exonerating Trump and continued to peddle it anyways and used it to justify a three year sham of an investigation, intimidating and entrapping people for making false statements along the way. It was all made up based on the completely discredited Steele Dossier.
      - JamesBarney 6y ago
        > May 9, 2017, President Donald Trump dismissed former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, James Comey, who had been leading an ongoing Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) investigation into links between Trump associates and Russian officials.[51][52] This investigation, code named Crossfire Hurricane, began in July 2016 after the Australian government advised US authorities that George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor in the Trump campaign, had met with one of their diplomats in May 2016 and "suggested the Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia" that Russia could release information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton.[53][54] - from Wikipedia This is why there was an investigation into russian collusion.
        chrisco255 6y ago
        James Comey KNEW the Russian story was bullshit. He was IN on it. Our intelligence community is CORRUPT. John Brennan's note to Obama proves it. They knew it was FICTION. And they RAN WITH IT. They sought to impeach a duly elected, democratically elected president on the basis of a LIE. And then they turn around and investigate people with impunity and if they dare slip up after 30 hours of interrogation, they toss them in prison for perjury. Fuck these guys. Free Assange, Free Snowden, and put Comey and Brennan in prison where they belong.
  - pstuart 6y ago
    > there was no definitional collusion between Trump and Russia That depends on who you ask. For some reason his supporters feel that way, and his detractors would beg to differ. Being that we are now in an era of "fake news", its up to the willingness of the individual to entertain the evidence that's been presented.
    - jessaustin 6y ago
      ...his detractors would beg to differ. Bullshit. I've detracted Trump since I learned of his existence in the mid-80s. I would never vote for him for any office. I would not change the channel to hear him say something. He is a worse human than he is a President, and that's a very low bar indeed. Still, the idea that he and any Russians worked together on his election has been extensively investigated, and no evidence to that effect has ever been made public. Confused people will cite the "Mueller" report, but those documents also contain no evidence to that effect. If there were something there, we would have seen it by now.
      - bushin 6y ago
        Bullshit. There was no investigation. No one investigated Trump.

And?

And... I would find clemency for Snowden an unexpected and unmitigated success. I would find clemency for Assange somewhat dubious, given the association with the Trump campaign. If that link (between Assange and the Trump campaign) really exists, wouldn't it be just more of Trump's transactional (awarding support or loyalty) pardoning... real or perceived at the least? Edit: clarifications in parenthesis.

waheoo 6y ago
What do you mean by link? What do you mean by transaction? Edit because downvotes usually mean people didn't understand what I meant it in this case probably thought I was getting at something. What link / transaction do you think happened between trump and Assange?
CryptoPunk 6y ago
Yes, but Assange's persecution was so clearly politically motivated that the benefits of a pardon outweigh the cons.
newnamenewface 6y ago
Which connection? So far as I understand it there was no definitional collusion between Trump and Russia specifically but I don't know about Assange.
- ghayes 6y ago
  Roger Stone, a former Trump campaign advisor and friend, is a convicted felon due to his communication with Julian Assange and his subsequent cover-up during the FBI investigation. Trump commuted Roger Stone's sentence.
  - chrisco255 6y ago
    The entire Trump-Russia investigation was a political hit job and corruption of the highest order from our intelligence agencies. John Brennan knew this was hatched for and paid for by the Clinton campaign and the DNC and his note to Obama on this said as much: "According to the declassified notes, Brennan and the U.S. intelligence community knew months prior to the 2016 election that the collusion smear was the result of a campaign operation hatched by the campaign of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. “We’re getting additional insight into Russian activites from [REDACTED],” Brennan’s handwritten notes state. “Cite alleged approval by Hillary Clinton–on 26 July–of a proposal from one of her foreign policy advisers to villify [sic] Donald Trump by stirring up a scandal claiming interference by the Russian security services.”" https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/06/breaking-dni-declassifies-handwritten-notes-from-john-brennan-2016-cia-referral-on-clinton-campaigns-collusion-operation/ https://thefederalist.com/2020/10/06/breaking-dni-declassifi... So our intelligence community had exculpatory evidence exonerating Trump and continued to peddle it anyways and used it to justify a three year sham of an investigation, intimidating and entrapping people for making false statements along the way. It was all made up based on the completely discredited Steele Dossier.
    - JamesBarney 6y ago
      > May 9, 2017, President Donald Trump dismissed former Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation, James Comey, who had been leading an ongoing Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) investigation into links between Trump associates and Russian officials.[51][52] This investigation, code named Crossfire Hurricane, began in July 2016 after the Australian government advised US authorities that George Papadopoulos, a foreign policy advisor in the Trump campaign, had met with one of their diplomats in May 2016 and "suggested the Trump team had received some kind of suggestion from Russia" that Russia could release information that would be damaging to Hillary Clinton.[53][54] - from Wikipedia This is why there was an investigation into russian collusion.
      - chrisco255 6y ago
        James Comey KNEW the Russian story was bullshit. He was IN on it. Our intelligence community is CORRUPT. John Brennan's note to Obama proves it. They knew it was FICTION. And they RAN WITH IT. They sought to impeach a duly elected, democratically elected president on the basis of a LIE. And then they turn around and investigate people with impunity and if they dare slip up after 30 hours of interrogation, they toss them in prison for perjury. Fuck these guys. Free Assange, Free Snowden, and put Comey and Brennan in prison where they belong.
- pstuart 6y ago
  > there was no definitional collusion between Trump and Russia That depends on who you ask. For some reason his supporters feel that way, and his detractors would beg to differ. Being that we are now in an era of "fake news", its up to the willingness of the individual to entertain the evidence that's been presented.
  - jessaustin 6y ago
    ...his detractors would beg to differ. Bullshit. I've detracted Trump since I learned of his existence in the mid-80s. I would never vote for him for any office. I would not change the channel to hear him say something. He is a worse human than he is a President, and that's a very low bar indeed. Still, the idea that he and any Russians worked together on his election has been extensively investigated, and no evidence to that effect has ever been made public. Confused people will cite the "Mueller" report, but those documents also contain no evidence to that effect. If there were something there, we would have seen it by now.
    - bushin 6y ago
      Bullshit. There was no investigation. No one investigated Trump.