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Wait, how is that even possible? Are they not using the same ELO algorithm?

by k_sze 6y ago

nwallin 6y ago
They have different player populations. A pool of Elo ratings only rates players relative to the other players in the population. If you take everyone whose FIDE rating is between 2400-2600, and you create a new pool of Elo ratings for them, their new Elo ratings will range from 1400-1600. If you take everyone whose FIDE rating is between 1400-1600, and you create a new pool of ratings for them, their new Elo ratings will range from 1400-1600. And so on.
- slyall 6y ago
  Also both sites use the Glicko rating system rather than a straight ELO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system
- k_sze 6y ago
  So what does that say about the relative strengths of the players between chess.com and lichess.com? That chess.com has the more elite players from lichess.com and so the lichess.com players are weaker on average than the chess.com players?
  - lightbulbjim 6y ago
    Maybe, but it doesn't really matter in practice. If you play against opponents with a similar rating to you then you'll be evenly matched.
  - archseer 6y ago
    This is a common misconception and the ratings are not comparable across player pools. lichess starts you off at 1500 and so the center of the bell curve is 1500, chess.com starts you off at 1200, so that's where it balances the 50% at. https://lichess.org/stat/rating/distribution/blitz https://lichess.org/stat/rating/distribution/blitz https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/wiki/faq#wiki_my_chess.com_rating_is_.5Bx.5D.2C_but_my_lichess_rating_is_.5By.5D._why_are_they_different.3F_and_how_would_either_compare_to_a_hypothetical_uscf_rating.3F https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/wiki/faq#wiki_my_chess.com_ra...
  - Scarblac 6y ago
    You can't say that based on the ratings. The parameters of the Elo system can be freely chosen, so you can't compare two implementations at all.
BurningFrog 6y ago
Only differences between player ratings matter for Elo Numbers. You can add 1,000,000 to the ratings of all players on lichess, and it wouldn't change a thing
watwut 6y ago
No, they use different rating algorithms. Lichess is using Glicko-2. Chess com is using Glicko.

Wait, how is that even possible? Are they not using the same ELO algorithm?

by k_sze 6y ago

Wait, how is that even possible? Are they not using the same ELO algorithm?

They have different player populations. A pool of Elo ratings only rates players relative to the other players in the population. If you take everyone whose FIDE rating is between 2400-2600, and you create a new pool of Elo ratings for them, their new Elo ratings will range from 1400-1600. If you take everyone whose FIDE rating is between 1400-1600, and you create a new pool of ratings for them, their new Elo ratings will range from 1400-1600. And so on.

slyall 6y ago
Also both sites use the Glicko rating system rather than a straight ELO https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glicko_rating_system
k_sze 6y ago
So what does that say about the relative strengths of the players between chess.com and lichess.com? That chess.com has the more elite players from lichess.com and so the lichess.com players are weaker on average than the chess.com players?
- lightbulbjim 6y ago
  Maybe, but it doesn't really matter in practice. If you play against opponents with a similar rating to you then you'll be evenly matched.
- archseer 6y ago
  This is a common misconception and the ratings are not comparable across player pools. lichess starts you off at 1500 and so the center of the bell curve is 1500, chess.com starts you off at 1200, so that's where it balances the 50% at. https://lichess.org/stat/rating/distribution/blitz https://lichess.org/stat/rating/distribution/blitz https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/wiki/faq#wiki_my_chess.com_rating_is_.5Bx.5D.2C_but_my_lichess_rating_is_.5By.5D._why_are_they_different.3F_and_how_would_either_compare_to_a_hypothetical_uscf_rating.3F https://www.reddit.com/r/chess/wiki/faq#wiki_my_chess.com_ra...
- Scarblac 6y ago
  You can't say that based on the ratings. The parameters of the Elo system can be freely chosen, so you can't compare two implementations at all.

BurningFrog 6y ago

Only differences between player ratings matter for Elo Numbers. You can add 1,000,000 to the ratings of all players on lichess, and it wouldn't change a thing

watwut 6y ago

No, they use different rating algorithms. Lichess is using Glicko-2. Chess com is using Glicko.