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I see two ways to get out of this. One is to learn to think of those things and doing them well, even though they're not original, as part of the form. Like met

by agf 6y ago

I see two ways to get out of this. One is to learn to think of those things and doing them well, even though they're not original, as part of the form. Like meter and rhyming might be part of a poem's form; it's about how you do them, not that you do them, since they're always there. The other is to consciously decide to ratchet down your consumption of this type of entertainment and put more effort into finding things that are more "for you" -- they don't rely on the tropes you're used to. Look for foreign content, other types / genres of shows, and reduce your consumption so by the time you've watched as much as you used to in a year, several years have passed and the style has morphed a bit.

goldenkey 6y ago
Sure but Umbrella Academy was a genuinely well produced show aside from the dramatic filler. There's very little to watch if we seek a level of intellectual honesty that is so rarely met by creatives let alone Hollywood.
- leadingthenet 6y ago
  Really?! I thought it was cliché after cliché after cliché. I was definitely entertained, but intellectually? No way. The time travel bits make no sense whatsoever if you think about them for more than a few seconds. It’s definitely a show where a super heavy dose of belief suspension is needed, and I would be ok with that if the clichés weren’t sooo pervasive.
  - goldenkey 6y ago
    Perhaps you can recommend some movies and shows then? I'd really appreciate it. Aside from Ex Machina and a few choice others like Moon and Black Mirror, I really haven't found any recent intellectual films or shows.
im3w1l 6y ago
Doing a thing because that's how it's always been done sounds like stagnation to me. The purpose of meter is to make it flow well when you say it out loud. And rhyming, idk, it has a pleasant quality to it too. But if you don't care for these things, then don't force yourself into it. Consider cooking. Certainly cooking has a lot of "tropes". And that's because they are tried and true methods of making it taste well. In addition I think you will all recognize the "Appetizer, Main, Dessert". Is that a method of "manipulating you" into enjoying your food? Yes it is! And that's why we love it.

by agf 6y ago

goldenkey 6y ago

Sure but Umbrella Academy was a genuinely well produced show aside from the dramatic filler. There's very little to watch if we seek a level of intellectual honesty that is so rarely met by creatives let alone Hollywood.

leadingthenet 6y ago
Really?! I thought it was cliché after cliché after cliché. I was definitely entertained, but intellectually? No way. The time travel bits make no sense whatsoever if you think about them for more than a few seconds. It’s definitely a show where a super heavy dose of belief suspension is needed, and I would be ok with that if the clichés weren’t sooo pervasive.
- goldenkey 6y ago
  Perhaps you can recommend some movies and shows then? I'd really appreciate it. Aside from Ex Machina and a few choice others like Moon and Black Mirror, I really haven't found any recent intellectual films or shows.

im3w1l 6y ago

Doing a thing because that's how it's always been done sounds like stagnation to me. The purpose of meter is to make it flow well when you say it out loud. And rhyming, idk, it has a pleasant quality to it too. But if you don't care for these things, then don't force yourself into it. Consider cooking. Certainly cooking has a lot of "tropes". And that's because they are tried and true methods of making it taste well. In addition I think you will all recognize the "Appetizer, Main, Dessert". Is that a method of "manipulating you" into enjoying your food? Yes it is! And that's why we love it.