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How do you prove that cashiers are recorded more than police? I also don’t think there is any indication that police are generally the highest paid government e

How do you prove that cashiers are recorded more than police? I also don’t think there is any indication that police are generally the highest paid government employees.

heimatau 6y ago
> How do you prove that cashiers are recorded more than police? You've never worked as a cashier. If one is behind the till, they have a direct camera on them for their entire shift.
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  Usually several cameras, all pointed at the cashier and their hands from different angles, with even more cameras littered throughout their workplace.
- austincheney 6y ago
  I have. It depends where you work. I am curious what the point of that is because cameras don’t determine whether cash is improperly removed from the register.
  - analog31 6y ago
    As I understand it, there's a lot more to it than stealing from the till. I used to work for a company that was peripheral to the security industry, so I got a lot of their literature. One was a pamphlet showing more than a dozen fiddles that are possible at the cash register. I've also read that most shoplifting is an inside job, at least involving an inside helper. There's stuff like having a bar code on the palm of your hand, so you scan a cheap item while passing an expensive item through the scanner.
    - austincheney 6y ago
      Shop lifting, even at point of sale, does not occur inside the cash register. To that end you would be monitoring the customer, which can include employees on the customer side of the transaction.
      - Shared404 6y ago
        > Shop lifting, even at point of sale, does not occur inside the cash register. But money-skimming does. I know someone who got fired for that... After being caught on camera.
        austincheney 6y ago
        How much was their till off?
        Shared404 6y ago
        I don't know. I was just a front of house, not a shift lead. My understanding of what happened is that the till was counted as off, and then it was confirmed that it was them through the cameras. There are anywhere from 2 - ~6 people who can open the till in the store at any time at that location, thus the need for the cameras. Edit: Obviously not the best OpSec, but that was the workflow at that point, and hiring enough staff to make that not the case was non-feasible.
      - todd8 6y ago
        As a customer, I’ve simply been given the wrong change and been told that I paid with a $10 and not a $20. Most of the time I take their word for it, but once I was actually paying attention and had a manager come over and count down the til.
      - analog31 6y ago
        True. Granted, the marketing material that I saw was 20+ years ago, and the recording was still done with videotape. One product would superimpose a text feed of the register tape on the video, so they were recorded simultaneously.
  - heimatau 6y ago
    > I have. It depends where you work. Is the company that you worked for, are they still in business? I'd be surprised if they were. If they are, I'm curious how large this business is. B/c I suspect they are able to charge it (the losses) to the owners.
myself248 6y ago
Simply look overhead next time you're paying for something. There's a camera on the cash drawer, a camera watching your face, a camera watching their face, probably a camera watching the whole lane from a wider perspective. I used to work on point-of-sale equipment, typically fixing scanner-scale or receipt-printer issues, but all the database equipment is in the same back room as the security DVR. The number of cameras in a modern store is staggering, and nowhere are they more concentrated than the checkout area.
- austincheney 6y ago
  That completely depends on where you shop and your geography. There aren’t that many cameras in Texas or Kuwait.
  - Shared404 6y ago
    > There aren’t that many cameras in Texas Yeah no. I worked in a restaurant. There was one camera directly on both tills. One camera indirectly on each till. One camera directly in the main queue area and multiple indirectly on the main queue and otherwise covering the remainder of the lobby from multiple angles. Edit: This is just the front of house stuff. The back of house had it's own complement which I won't detail here for obvious reasons.
    - austincheney 6y ago
      I have worked in restaurants as well. Restaurants are not considered retail points of sale. The primary difference from an accounting perspective is till assignment. Again, your one experience at is not representative of the world as a whole.
      - Shared404 6y ago
        You can also look around any time you go inside a Target or Walmart and see plenty of camera's, plus sometimes some displays showing that there are cameras. Edit: In addition, we had till assignment at that location. However, there were at least 2 people there at all times who could open the till (Shift lead + assignee), and there was usually more (Managers, other shift leads who were still on shift).
alsetmusic 6y ago
Well, this was a surprise to me. I had been under the impression that police had better salaries than what appears to be the case. A quick web search suggests that the average salary is roughly $60-65k. I had thought they were more around $80-120k, depending on position and seniority. I don’t recall where I got that impression. As mentioned by others, cashiers are monitored by security cameras constantly. It’s just that footage of them stealing from the till doesn’t go viral. Police brutality does.
- willcipriano 6y ago
  I have observed others with a similar impression so I suspect it is a common misconception. Good on you for having the courage to acknowledge it.
- austincheney 6y ago
  You don’t monitor theft from the till with cameras but by counting the cash in the till against a reported balance. This is determinate down to the penny without any camera.
  - Cyph0n 6y ago
    You wouldn’t be able to distinguish between a genuine mistake and theft without a camera. The same applies to police.
    - austincheney 6y ago
      ? It’s an accounting balance. The numbers match or they don’t.
      - alasdair_ 6y ago
        If they don’t match, then what? Is ot a mistake or was it intentional?
        austincheney 6y ago

How do you prove that cashiers are recorded more than police? I also don’t think there is any indication that police are generally the highest paid government employees.

heimatau 6y ago

> How do you prove that cashiers are recorded more than police? You've never worked as a cashier. If one is behind the till, they have a direct camera on them for their entire shift.

heavyset_go 6y ago
Usually several cameras, all pointed at the cashier and their hands from different angles, with even more cameras littered throughout their workplace.
austincheney 6y ago
I have. It depends where you work. I am curious what the point of that is because cameras don’t determine whether cash is improperly removed from the register.
- analog31 6y ago
  As I understand it, there's a lot more to it than stealing from the till. I used to work for a company that was peripheral to the security industry, so I got a lot of their literature. One was a pamphlet showing more than a dozen fiddles that are possible at the cash register. I've also read that most shoplifting is an inside job, at least involving an inside helper. There's stuff like having a bar code on the palm of your hand, so you scan a cheap item while passing an expensive item through the scanner.
  - austincheney 6y ago
    Shop lifting, even at point of sale, does not occur inside the cash register. To that end you would be monitoring the customer, which can include employees on the customer side of the transaction.
    - Shared404 6y ago
      > Shop lifting, even at point of sale, does not occur inside the cash register. But money-skimming does. I know someone who got fired for that... After being caught on camera.
      - austincheney 6y ago
        How much was their till off?
        Shared404 6y ago
        I don't know. I was just a front of house, not a shift lead. My understanding of what happened is that the till was counted as off, and then it was confirmed that it was them through the cameras. There are anywhere from 2 - ~6 people who can open the till in the store at any time at that location, thus the need for the cameras. Edit: Obviously not the best OpSec, but that was the workflow at that point, and hiring enough staff to make that not the case was non-feasible.
    - todd8 6y ago
      As a customer, I’ve simply been given the wrong change and been told that I paid with a $10 and not a $20. Most of the time I take their word for it, but once I was actually paying attention and had a manager come over and count down the til.
    - analog31 6y ago
      True. Granted, the marketing material that I saw was 20+ years ago, and the recording was still done with videotape. One product would superimpose a text feed of the register tape on the video, so they were recorded simultaneously.
- heimatau 6y ago
  > I have. It depends where you work. Is the company that you worked for, are they still in business? I'd be surprised if they were. If they are, I'm curious how large this business is. B/c I suspect they are able to charge it (the losses) to the owners.

myself248 6y ago

Simply look overhead next time you're paying for something. There's a camera on the cash drawer, a camera watching your face, a camera watching their face, probably a camera watching the whole lane from a wider perspective. I used to work on point-of-sale equipment, typically fixing scanner-scale or receipt-printer issues, but all the database equipment is in the same back room as the security DVR. The number of cameras in a modern store is staggering, and nowhere are they more concentrated than the checkout area.

austincheney 6y ago
That completely depends on where you shop and your geography. There aren’t that many cameras in Texas or Kuwait.
- Shared404 6y ago
  > There aren’t that many cameras in Texas Yeah no. I worked in a restaurant. There was one camera directly on both tills. One camera indirectly on each till. One camera directly in the main queue area and multiple indirectly on the main queue and otherwise covering the remainder of the lobby from multiple angles. Edit: This is just the front of house stuff. The back of house had it's own complement which I won't detail here for obvious reasons.
  - austincheney 6y ago
    I have worked in restaurants as well. Restaurants are not considered retail points of sale. The primary difference from an accounting perspective is till assignment. Again, your one experience at is not representative of the world as a whole.
    - Shared404 6y ago
      You can also look around any time you go inside a Target or Walmart and see plenty of camera's, plus sometimes some displays showing that there are cameras. Edit: In addition, we had till assignment at that location. However, there were at least 2 people there at all times who could open the till (Shift lead + assignee), and there was usually more (Managers, other shift leads who were still on shift).

alsetmusic 6y ago

Well, this was a surprise to me. I had been under the impression that police had better salaries than what appears to be the case. A quick web search suggests that the average salary is roughly $60-65k. I had thought they were more around $80-120k, depending on position and seniority. I don’t recall where I got that impression. As mentioned by others, cashiers are monitored by security cameras constantly. It’s just that footage of them stealing from the till doesn’t go viral. Police brutality does.

willcipriano 6y ago
I have observed others with a similar impression so I suspect it is a common misconception. Good on you for having the courage to acknowledge it.
austincheney 6y ago
You don’t monitor theft from the till with cameras but by counting the cash in the till against a reported balance. This is determinate down to the penny without any camera.
- Cyph0n 6y ago
  You wouldn’t be able to distinguish between a genuine mistake and theft without a camera. The same applies to police.
  - austincheney 6y ago
    ? It’s an accounting balance. The numbers match or they don’t.
    - alasdair_ 6y ago
      If they don’t match, then what? Is ot a mistake or was it intentional?
      - austincheney 6y ago