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Things go in the other direction too: badge cams (and now even barrel mounted cams) have captured some chaotic moments that give a glimpse into the crazy stuff

Things go in the other direction too: badge cams (and now even barrel mounted cams) have captured some chaotic moments that give a glimpse into the crazy stuff cops deal with from a crazy intense first person perspective. I think there's YouTube channels now dedicated to uploading badge cam footage.

HarryHirsch 6y ago
That's actually the best argument for other viewpoints. We have bodycam videos (unless, of course, the cop switches his off because he's going to step outside the confines of the law), now let's also have the impressions of bystanders.
- giantg2 6y ago
  If cops are required (maybe by mechanical/tech constraints) to record via the body cam, that does remove some of the incentive for them to tell others not to record them. There's already a record of them.
  - HarryHirsch 6y ago
    It's not about incentives, it's about opportunities. Why should free citizens not have the opportunity to tell their side of the story with pictures? The cops have all the opportunity they need, and the backup of the political apparatus as well.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      I never said that people shouldn't have that right. Just that the incentive for an officer to violate that right can go down if the officer already knows that they are being recorded by body cams (if it's physically mandatory and the storing organization isn't corrupt).
  - infogulch 6y ago
    Except when the body cam footage inexplicably vanishes most inconveniently (say, during subpoena with a defending cop) and everyone just goes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, repeatedly.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      Yeah, it won't help either the most crooked organizations or people.
    - smegger001 6y ago
      sounds like we need legislation to require the badge-cam video evidence to be presented the court to the allow any legal proceeding to by the police to continue and any where the proceeding are initiated by a member of the public to be found in their favor automatically if badge-cam footage is not presented.
      - giantg2 6y ago
        I wouldn't go that far. I would agree for cases that don't have any other evidence. But cases that have other evidence could still be valid.
      - curryst 6y ago
        I think it would be more apt to issue a jury instruction that loss of evidence against law enforcement by law enforcement can be interpreted as a sign of guilt, similar to how pleading the 5th can be interpreted as a sign of guilt in civil cases. It does not conclusively mean they are guilty (accidents do happen), but it can be considered in cases that lack other evidence. Furthermore, if the person who "lost" the evidence can be found, they should be tried as a conspirator.
- jxramos 6y ago
  I'm curious how the switch works exactly and if there's a record of the switching state left anywhere on the device. They're actually pretty amazing devices. https://www.axon.com/products/axon-body-3 https://www.axon.com/products/axon-body-3
Merman_Mike 6y ago
Here are a few Youtube channels that people may find interesting. They mostly post raw bodycam footage. (sort by "Most Popular of All Time" on each page for the good stuff) https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/VideoLeakPolice/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/VideoLeakPolice/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceCompilation/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceCompilation/videos

HarryHirsch 6y ago

That's actually the best argument for other viewpoints. We have bodycam videos (unless, of course, the cop switches his off because he's going to step outside the confines of the law), now let's also have the impressions of bystanders.

giantg2 6y ago
If cops are required (maybe by mechanical/tech constraints) to record via the body cam, that does remove some of the incentive for them to tell others not to record them. There's already a record of them.
- HarryHirsch 6y ago
  It's not about incentives, it's about opportunities. Why should free citizens not have the opportunity to tell their side of the story with pictures? The cops have all the opportunity they need, and the backup of the political apparatus as well.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    I never said that people shouldn't have that right. Just that the incentive for an officer to violate that right can go down if the officer already knows that they are being recorded by body cams (if it's physically mandatory and the storing organization isn't corrupt).
- infogulch 6y ago
  Except when the body cam footage inexplicably vanishes most inconveniently (say, during subpoena with a defending cop) and everyone just goes ¯\_(ツ)_/¯, repeatedly.
  - giantg2 6y ago
    Yeah, it won't help either the most crooked organizations or people.
  - smegger001 6y ago
    sounds like we need legislation to require the badge-cam video evidence to be presented the court to the allow any legal proceeding to by the police to continue and any where the proceeding are initiated by a member of the public to be found in their favor automatically if badge-cam footage is not presented.
    - giantg2 6y ago
      I wouldn't go that far. I would agree for cases that don't have any other evidence. But cases that have other evidence could still be valid.
    - curryst 6y ago
      I think it would be more apt to issue a jury instruction that loss of evidence against law enforcement by law enforcement can be interpreted as a sign of guilt, similar to how pleading the 5th can be interpreted as a sign of guilt in civil cases. It does not conclusively mean they are guilty (accidents do happen), but it can be considered in cases that lack other evidence. Furthermore, if the person who "lost" the evidence can be found, they should be tried as a conspirator.
jxramos 6y ago
I'm curious how the switch works exactly and if there's a record of the switching state left anywhere on the device. They're actually pretty amazing devices. https://www.axon.com/products/axon-body-3 https://www.axon.com/products/axon-body-3

Merman_Mike 6y ago

Here are a few Youtube channels that people may find interesting. They mostly post raw bodycam footage. (sort by "Most Popular of All Time" on each page for the good stuff) https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceActivity/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/VideoLeakPolice/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/VideoLeakPolice/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceCompilation/videos https://www.youtube.com/c/PoliceCompilation/videos