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I agree with the thought process here, but the reality is that almost no one wants to be recorded in public, especially knowing that it can easily be posted and

by vlunkr 6y ago

I agree with the thought process here, but the reality is that almost no one wants to be recorded in public, especially knowing that it can easily be posted and shared online, where they will likely look like the bad guy.

chokeartist 6y ago
What does that matter? We are talking about cops -- aka taxpayer-paid dudes with guns. If anything these are the folks you should want some cameras on when bullets start flying.
viztor 6y ago
the right to record isn't necessarily the right to publish.
dgs_sgd 6y ago
As the parent comment says, police are tax payer funded and hold extra power over citizens. I think that trumps them being worried about "looking like the bad guy".
- anonunivgrad 6y ago
  Say that you subdued a drug addict, who resisted arrest and was having a panic attack, according to the department prescribed method for that exact circumstance while waiting for an ambulance, and then say that the person died maybe because of a drug overdose, maybe because you used the subdual method incorrectly, and then say that the video was released, say that video incited national riots labeling your actions as murderous, and say that anyone who defended you had their entire life destroyed by cancel culture, and then say that a politically motivated state AG charged you with murder under a theory that is discredited in almost every other jurisdiction in the country (felony murder without a merger doctrine). That is an extreme example, but it could happen. To avoid that kind of thing, a rational, honest police officer, who has no other marketable skills at age 37 and doesn't want to be tried in the court of public opinion circa 2020, might resist being filmed.
  - autarch 6y ago
    You might have a valid point in here, but the extra thick layer of sarcasm really doesn't help make it.
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  - tshaddox 6y ago
    You’ve explained why police officers don’t want accountability. But of course, no one is confused why police officers don’t want accountability.
    - anonunivgrad 6y ago
      Many are confused. Many think that all police officers want to avoid accountability to conceal misbehavior. That is certainly true for some. But many police officers just want to avoid being unfairly judged in the court of public opinion, where they can't get a fair hearing because defending them is considered a crime against humanity.
      - happytoexplain 6y ago
        You keep using language that implies an irrational bias, rather than just an opinion. >Many are confused. Many think that all police officers want to avoid accountability to conceal misbehavior. >defending them is considered a crime against humanity. This is quite an exaggeration of reality. Ironically, you, individually, are committing the same sin that you're accusing "many" of: Harsh absolutist black-and-white statements about broad groups of people you apparently have very negative feelings for.
        anonunivgrad 6y ago
        I said "many" people think that. Take a quick perusal through a reddit thread on the topic and you'll see that "many" do indeed think that. Often, the sentiment is accompanied by "ACAB" or other such slogans. Or, try to post on Facebook that you think a certain police officer might be innocent, that the cause of death might be an overdose, or that it's inappropriate to engage in hagiography of a drug-addicted, arrest-resisting violent criminal with a horrifying rap sheet, however he might have died. Those are all reasonable points, supported by at least some decent evidence or moral sensibility, but it would certainly be the end of any career you have in the United States.
heavyset_go 6y ago
Cashiers that make $10 an hour are under more surveillance and public exposure than cops are. Police are often the highest paid employees on a government's payroll, often making more than software engineers do, and they get to retire with a full pension after only 20 years of working. Given that they're the strong arm of the state, and that they're paid handsomely to be it, they can at least handle the same amount of accountability that cashiers do, if not more.
- austincheney 6y ago
  How do you prove that cashiers are recorded more than police? I also don’t think there is any indication that police are generally the highest paid government employees.
  - heimatau 6y ago
    > How do you prove that cashiers are recorded more than police? You've never worked as a cashier. If one is behind the till, they have a direct camera on them for their entire shift.
    - heavyset_go 6y ago
      Usually several cameras, all pointed at the cashier and their hands from different angles, with even more cameras littered throughout their workplace.
    - austincheney 6y ago
      I have. It depends where you work. I am curious what the point of that is because cameras don’t determine whether cash is improperly removed from the register.
      - analog31 6y ago
        As I understand it, there's a lot more to it than stealing from the till. I used to work for a company that was peripheral to the security industry, so I got a lot of their literature. One was a pamphlet showing more than a dozen fiddles that are possible at the cash register. I've also read that most shoplifting is an inside job, at least involving an inside helper. There's stuff like having a bar code on the palm of your hand, so you scan a cheap item while passing an expensive item through the scanner.
happytoexplain 6y ago
Yes, of course, but the police are not just anybody.
wpietri 6y ago
Then maybe people who don't like that shouldn't take jobs working for the public in public while enforcing public laws to uphold public standards of public safety and public order. Just a thought.
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  This is quite well put
vlunkr 6y ago
I can't edit now, but I'm addressing the point that it "seems wrong" for cops to not want to be recorded. It seems completely natural. I'm not saying they shouldn't be filmed or should attempt to stop it, just that it's not surprising that they might not like it.
SrslyJosh 6y ago
Not being a cop is free. =)

by vlunkr 6y ago

chokeartist 6y ago

What does that matter? We are talking about cops -- aka taxpayer-paid dudes with guns. If anything these are the folks you should want some cameras on when bullets start flying.

viztor 6y ago

the right to record isn't necessarily the right to publish.

dgs_sgd 6y ago

As the parent comment says, police are tax payer funded and hold extra power over citizens. I think that trumps them being worried about "looking like the bad guy".

anonunivgrad 6y ago
Say that you subdued a drug addict, who resisted arrest and was having a panic attack, according to the department prescribed method for that exact circumstance while waiting for an ambulance, and then say that the person died maybe because of a drug overdose, maybe because you used the subdual method incorrectly, and then say that the video was released, say that video incited national riots labeling your actions as murderous, and say that anyone who defended you had their entire life destroyed by cancel culture, and then say that a politically motivated state AG charged you with murder under a theory that is discredited in almost every other jurisdiction in the country (felony murder without a merger doctrine). That is an extreme example, but it could happen. To avoid that kind of thing, a rational, honest police officer, who has no other marketable skills at age 37 and doesn't want to be tried in the court of public opinion circa 2020, might resist being filmed.
- autarch 6y ago
  You might have a valid point in here, but the extra thick layer of sarcasm really doesn't help make it.
  - deleted 6y ago
    [deleted]
- tshaddox 6y ago
  You’ve explained why police officers don’t want accountability. But of course, no one is confused why police officers don’t want accountability.
  - anonunivgrad 6y ago
    Many are confused. Many think that all police officers want to avoid accountability to conceal misbehavior. That is certainly true for some. But many police officers just want to avoid being unfairly judged in the court of public opinion, where they can't get a fair hearing because defending them is considered a crime against humanity.
    - happytoexplain 6y ago
      You keep using language that implies an irrational bias, rather than just an opinion. >Many are confused. Many think that all police officers want to avoid accountability to conceal misbehavior. >defending them is considered a crime against humanity. This is quite an exaggeration of reality. Ironically, you, individually, are committing the same sin that you're accusing "many" of: Harsh absolutist black-and-white statements about broad groups of people you apparently have very negative feelings for.
      - anonunivgrad 6y ago
        I said "many" people think that. Take a quick perusal through a reddit thread on the topic and you'll see that "many" do indeed think that. Often, the sentiment is accompanied by "ACAB" or other such slogans. Or, try to post on Facebook that you think a certain police officer might be innocent, that the cause of death might be an overdose, or that it's inappropriate to engage in hagiography of a drug-addicted, arrest-resisting violent criminal with a horrifying rap sheet, however he might have died. Those are all reasonable points, supported by at least some decent evidence or moral sensibility, but it would certainly be the end of any career you have in the United States.

heavyset_go 6y ago

Cashiers that make $10 an hour are under more surveillance and public exposure than cops are. Police are often the highest paid employees on a government's payroll, often making more than software engineers do, and they get to retire with a full pension after only 20 years of working. Given that they're the strong arm of the state, and that they're paid handsomely to be it, they can at least handle the same amount of accountability that cashiers do, if not more.

austincheney 6y ago
How do you prove that cashiers are recorded more than police? I also don’t think there is any indication that police are generally the highest paid government employees.
- heimatau 6y ago
  > How do you prove that cashiers are recorded more than police? You've never worked as a cashier. If one is behind the till, they have a direct camera on them for their entire shift.
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    Usually several cameras, all pointed at the cashier and their hands from different angles, with even more cameras littered throughout their workplace.
  - austincheney 6y ago
    I have. It depends where you work. I am curious what the point of that is because cameras don’t determine whether cash is improperly removed from the register.
    - analog31 6y ago
      As I understand it, there's a lot more to it than stealing from the till. I used to work for a company that was peripheral to the security industry, so I got a lot of their literature. One was a pamphlet showing more than a dozen fiddles that are possible at the cash register. I've also read that most shoplifting is an inside job, at least involving an inside helper. There's stuff like having a bar code on the palm of your hand, so you scan a cheap item while passing an expensive item through the scanner.

happytoexplain 6y ago

Yes, of course, but the police are not just anybody.

wpietri 6y ago

Then maybe people who don't like that shouldn't take jobs working for the public in public while enforcing public laws to uphold public standards of public safety and public order. Just a thought.

ClumsyPilot 6y ago
This is quite well put

vlunkr 6y ago

I can't edit now, but I'm addressing the point that it "seems wrong" for cops to not want to be recorded. It seems completely natural. I'm not saying they shouldn't be filmed or should attempt to stop it, just that it's not surprising that they might not like it.

SrslyJosh 6y ago

Not being a cop is free. =)