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We've replaced "waiting for unskippable Flash intros" with: - a web that is thoroughly unusable without an ad-blocker (ad-blocking was pretty optional in 2005)

We've replaced "waiting for unskippable Flash intros" with: - a web that is thoroughly unusable without an ad-blocker (ad-blocking was pretty optional in 2005) - waiting for 20 megs of minified JS to load over 3G - waiting for Google web fonts to load because apparently shipping more than 4 fonts in common is beyond the ability of plucky upstarts like Microsoft, Apple, and Google - web "apps" with worse performance characteristics than programs that ran on 66 MHz machines

jeffbee 6y ago
> - waiting for 20 megs of minified JS to load over 3G I don't use Slack.
- minikites 6y ago
  I didn't use pages with un-skippable Flash intros.
nitrogen 6y ago
(ad-blocking was pretty optional in 2005) It was still pretty sweet to run a transparent Squid proxy with an ads blacklist.
hombre_fatal 6y ago
You have to look at the web's good and not just it's bad. It's kind of tiring to read comments that act like nobody else is capable of enumerating the downsides of something. Why own a dog? You spend money on it, it shits, it makes noise, you have to find a caretaker when you go on vacation, it bites, it needs walks, it needs to go to the vet, your next girlfriend might be allergic to it, and after all that, it dies. Do people who own dogs not know these things? Or is it that they own one despite those things and there's a more interesting conversation to be had? Comments like this make me wonder if you, yourself, are capable of seeing anything that's improved about the web which is a much more illuminating exercise to do than enumerating just bad things, something anyone can do.
- minikites 6y ago
  You're replying several comments deep in a chain where we've already discussed this. Sometimes things do in fact get worse over time and "look on the bright side" is not a universally useful strategy. In fact, I submit blind optimism is in fact more tiring, look at any comment thread about Tesla or Bitcoin. It's as if these two things are perfect and you had better buckle up if you dare criticize either one.

jeffbee 6y ago

> - waiting for 20 megs of minified JS to load over 3G I don't use Slack.

minikites 6y ago
I didn't use pages with un-skippable Flash intros.

nitrogen 6y ago

(ad-blocking was pretty optional in 2005) It was still pretty sweet to run a transparent Squid proxy with an ads blacklist.

hombre_fatal 6y ago

You have to look at the web's good and not just it's bad. It's kind of tiring to read comments that act like nobody else is capable of enumerating the downsides of something. Why own a dog? You spend money on it, it shits, it makes noise, you have to find a caretaker when you go on vacation, it bites, it needs walks, it needs to go to the vet, your next girlfriend might be allergic to it, and after all that, it dies. Do people who own dogs not know these things? Or is it that they own one despite those things and there's a more interesting conversation to be had? Comments like this make me wonder if you, yourself, are capable of seeing anything that's improved about the web which is a much more illuminating exercise to do than enumerating just bad things, something anyone can do.

minikites 6y ago
You're replying several comments deep in a chain where we've already discussed this. Sometimes things do in fact get worse over time and "look on the bright side" is not a universally useful strategy. In fact, I submit blind optimism is in fact more tiring, look at any comment thread about Tesla or Bitcoin. It's as if these two things are perfect and you had better buckle up if you dare criticize either one.