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I spent the entire weekend updating MaraDNS’s Docker testing container to run Ubuntu 20.04 instead of CentOS 8, and am in the process of replacing all of my Cen
by strenholme 6y ago
I spent the entire weekend updating MaraDNS’s Docker testing container to run Ubuntu 20.04 instead of CentOS 8, and am in the process of replacing all of my CentOS 8 machines with Ubuntu 20.04 LTS machines.
RedHat flat out made a pinky promise that CentOS 8 would be supported with security updates until 2029: https://archive.is/7Qmtw https://archive.is/7Qmtw I installed CentOS 8 on my home network (a non-trivial task) with the understanding things would still be secure in 2029. RedHat broke their pinky promise: CentOS 8 will no longer be supported after 2021. That in mind, while I have been using RedHat since the dot-com days, I am now a Ubuntu user.
Breaking a promise like this is non-trivial, and I have stopped using RedHat as a result. If RedHat had said “We’re not going to release CentOS 8” or if they had said from the beginning “CentOS 8 will only be supported until the end of 2021”, I would be singing a very different tune right now.
- LeSaucy 6y agoIn the same boat, but after this lesson I don't think I can even trust Canonical to not do something drastic. Debian is looking to be my CentOS replacement.
- rualca 6y ago> Debian is looking to be my CentOS replacement. To me, Debian sounds like it should be hands down the de facto standard for production environments. It's rock solid, and it sets the bar on reliability.
- ossusermivami 6y agoI agree! i use CentOS streams because i need some sort of redhat environment for my customers, but if i had the choice or if i have to do some opensource work, i would choose Debian over anything else....
- op00to 6y agoChristoph Galuschka maintains that wiki page you reference. Does he represent Red Hat? If not, how does a community member “pinky swear” and Red Hat is now on the hook?
- yjftsjthsd-h 6y agoIt was the official CentOS wiki; it sure looks official to me.
- op00to 6y agoIf I put that yjftsjthsd-h has a scorching case of herpes on Wikipedia, does that make it official?
- strenholme 6y agoIf something has been on the official CentOS Wiki for nearly a year (compare the date stamps of https://archive.is/EPtoS https://archive.is/EPtoS, https://archive.is/7Qmtw https://archive.is/7Qmtw, and https://archive.is/9wDW0 https://archive.is/9wDW0) then this is something RedHat communicated to end users. RedHat had a year to remove the statement that CentOS was supported until 2029, and could had protected the page so only admins could edit it if vandalism was, in fact, an issue.
- strenholme 6y agoRedHat is on the hook because they did not make it clear to the CentOS community that support would be cut short back when CentOS was released in 2019. This is something RedHat should had decided on and communicated before CentOS 8 was made public.
- tomcam 6y agoSo am I correct that you’re going from being a non-paying user of one distro to being a non-paying user of another distro? Not sure sure RH will be deeply moved by your bravery.
- hedora 6y agoIt sounds like MaraDNS was paying RedHat with their time by testing against Centos. Like many other pieces of upstream open source software, they're no longer (financially / logistically able to) provide that free testing work to RedHat. I'm guessing RedHat will be "deeply moved" if their actions create a mass developer exodus.
- tomcam 6y agoIsn’t RH paying for most of the developers?