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How do you know for sure the "other places" are any better? FB is much more scrutinized than other companies. And as I wrote earlier: scandals were largely rep

by matlag 6y ago

How do you know for sure the "other places" are any better? FB is much more scrutinized than other companies. And as I wrote earlier: scandals were largely reported and extensively covered. Most users stayed. So if users are happy with it, why should the employees quit a good job?

evgen 6y ago
The idea that all of the 'scandals' and morally repugnant behavior within Facebook management and in the company as a whole has been reported and revealed is so laughable that I cannot believe anyone would try to suggest this with a straight face. Facebook continues to lower the bar on ethical behavior, it is built on a foundation of mass surveillance for profit, and it continues to deny, deflect, and obfuscate whenever it is caught again doing something immoral. Most users stayed due to lack of a good alternative, not because they felt any affinity for Facebook. The continued decline of Facebook the brand and the fact that legal and legislative corrections to their behavior are gaining traction is a reasonably good indicator that users are, in fact, not happy with it.
- slut 6y ago
  What decline of the brand? HN isn't really FBs general audience, who clearly do not care. DAU continues to go up. The fact that you think the planned 'legal and legislative corrections' by the same entity that approved their acquisitions only a few years ago, is genuinely hilarious. They're a political scapegoat and not much more, same reason Google will see the same antitrust case from the same AGs this week.
- matlag 6y ago
  >The idea that all of the 'scandals' and morally repugnant behavior within Facebook management and in the company as a whole has been reported and revealed is so laughable that I cannot believe anyone would try to suggest this with a straight face. The point is not that all potential scandals have been reported. The point is the ones that have been uncovered have been extensively reported. And that didn't change anything to the majority of users. So why would you think more scandals will do? > Most users stayed due to lack of a good alternative, not because they felt any affinity for Facebook. When asked what the alternatives miss, the answer is almost always the network. When you ask to contribute to alternative so you grow that network, it's "meeeh, too complicated to use 2 networks". But it's not too complicated to use FB, and Twitter, and Instagram, and Linkedin, and... "There is not good alternative" is a lame excuse. The honest answer is: "I don't want to do any effort nor any kind of compromise whatsoever". And if you don't want to change anything, in my view, you're fine with the status quo.

by matlag 6y ago

evgen 6y ago

The idea that all of the 'scandals' and morally repugnant behavior within Facebook management and in the company as a whole has been reported and revealed is so laughable that I cannot believe anyone would try to suggest this with a straight face. Facebook continues to lower the bar on ethical behavior, it is built on a foundation of mass surveillance for profit, and it continues to deny, deflect, and obfuscate whenever it is caught again doing something immoral. Most users stayed due to lack of a good alternative, not because they felt any affinity for Facebook. The continued decline of Facebook the brand and the fact that legal and legislative corrections to their behavior are gaining traction is a reasonably good indicator that users are, in fact, not happy with it.

slut 6y ago
What decline of the brand? HN isn't really FBs general audience, who clearly do not care. DAU continues to go up. The fact that you think the planned 'legal and legislative corrections' by the same entity that approved their acquisitions only a few years ago, is genuinely hilarious. They're a political scapegoat and not much more, same reason Google will see the same antitrust case from the same AGs this week.
matlag 6y ago
>The idea that all of the 'scandals' and morally repugnant behavior within Facebook management and in the company as a whole has been reported and revealed is so laughable that I cannot believe anyone would try to suggest this with a straight face. The point is not that all potential scandals have been reported. The point is the ones that have been uncovered have been extensively reported. And that didn't change anything to the majority of users. So why would you think more scandals will do? > Most users stayed due to lack of a good alternative, not because they felt any affinity for Facebook. When asked what the alternatives miss, the answer is almost always the network. When you ask to contribute to alternative so you grow that network, it's "meeeh, too complicated to use 2 networks". But it's not too complicated to use FB, and Twitter, and Instagram, and Linkedin, and... "There is not good alternative" is a lame excuse. The honest answer is: "I don't want to do any effort nor any kind of compromise whatsoever". And if you don't want to change anything, in my view, you're fine with the status quo.