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Per-capita CO2 emissions to put things in perspective: United States 17.5 Australia 16.75 Canada 14.67 Russian Fed. 12.18 S

Per-capita CO2 emissions to put things in perspective: United States 17.5 Australia 16.75 Canada 14.67 Russian Fed. 12.18 South Korea 11.78 Norway 11.71 Finland 11.53 Greenland 11.07 Netherlands 10.96 ... China 6.18 Mexico 3.91 *Brazil* 2.15 India 1.64 There's a nice viz here: https://ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2#:~:text=More%20populous%20countries%20with%20some,and%20Canada%20at%2015.6%20tonnes https://ourworldindata.org/per-capita-co2#:~:text=More%20pop...

pelasaco 6y ago
Even though I agree with the original argument, this Table doesn't support what is being said. In Fact China and India because of Billions of people, are kind of Outliers in this discussion. Is there a way to normalize this data? This article however was kind of interesting https://www.ft.com/content/e1c7d5e7-61da-4c20-a99b-b89826e5994d https://www.ft.com/content/e1c7d5e7-61da-4c20-a99b-b89826e59... including the video "How to price the Nature"
- moefh 6y ago
  I'm confused about what other normalization is needed. China and India have (combined) 1/3 of the world population. Why shouldn't they be responsible for 1/3 of the world emitted CO2?
  - pelasaco 6y ago
    As I understood from the post, the user tried to use the relation Population x CO2 emission to support that Brazil "has more preserved nature and a smaller carbon footprint than most other countries".. but to have China, Mexico and India as the top 3 cleanest countries in the World doesn't really make sense, no?
    - moefh 6y ago
      That list is not complete -- US is not the first, and India is not the last in the World. A better picture can be seen in the link in that comment. I think that list is meant to show that a lot of the rich industrialized countries emit much more per capita than developing countries, and even China (which is usually heavily criticized for high emissions).
- vkou 6y ago
  Per-capita emissions does normalize the data. Would you prefer to normalize the data in the only other way that makes sense - per country? Give each country 1/193th of the world's carbon budget? The West would still not be looking pretty under that plan. Or would you prefer that we also account historic emissions? That only seems fair to me (and would put us on track for decades of negative emissions, starting tomorrow, to pay back what we borrowed from the future.)
  - pelasaco 6y ago
    I'm not sure. For me just look wrong to see China, India and Mexico as the top 3 cleanest countries in the World. I visited all three. I had a different impression.
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pelasaco 6y ago

Even though I agree with the original argument, this Table doesn't support what is being said. In Fact China and India because of Billions of people, are kind of Outliers in this discussion. Is there a way to normalize this data? This article however was kind of interesting https://www.ft.com/content/e1c7d5e7-61da-4c20-a99b-b89826e5994d https://www.ft.com/content/e1c7d5e7-61da-4c20-a99b-b89826e59... including the video "How to price the Nature"

moefh 6y ago
I'm confused about what other normalization is needed. China and India have (combined) 1/3 of the world population. Why shouldn't they be responsible for 1/3 of the world emitted CO2?
- pelasaco 6y ago
  As I understood from the post, the user tried to use the relation Population x CO2 emission to support that Brazil "has more preserved nature and a smaller carbon footprint than most other countries".. but to have China, Mexico and India as the top 3 cleanest countries in the World doesn't really make sense, no?
  - moefh 6y ago
    That list is not complete -- US is not the first, and India is not the last in the World. A better picture can be seen in the link in that comment. I think that list is meant to show that a lot of the rich industrialized countries emit much more per capita than developing countries, and even China (which is usually heavily criticized for high emissions).
vkou 6y ago
Per-capita emissions does normalize the data. Would you prefer to normalize the data in the only other way that makes sense - per country? Give each country 1/193th of the world's carbon budget? The West would still not be looking pretty under that plan. Or would you prefer that we also account historic emissions? That only seems fair to me (and would put us on track for decades of negative emissions, starting tomorrow, to pay back what we borrowed from the future.)
- pelasaco 6y ago
  I'm not sure. For me just look wrong to see China, India and Mexico as the top 3 cleanest countries in the World. I visited all three. I had a different impression.
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