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I have a love hate relationship with Firefox, its only major trick left is that it’s not Chromium. Making it a monopoly of the non-monopoly browsers. I tried fo

by xacky 6y ago

I have a love hate relationship with Firefox, its only major trick left is that it’s not Chromium. Making it a monopoly of the non-monopoly browsers. I tried for a while to use Waterfox and Pale Moon but they just aren’t accepted by too many websites and now even mainstream websites are locking out Firefox too.

the-dude 6y ago
Which sites are 'locking out' Firefox?
- jlokier 6y ago
  Some things lock out Firefox as an accident of implementation. I don't recall which site it was for me recently, perhaps Sainsbury's, but I reached a card payment screen and it just would not accept payment - it kept getting stuck with a spinner making no progress at the payment stage. Opened exactly the same page in Safari and it worked fine quickly. Next time it happened again, and I remembered that I needed to switch browser.
  - the-dude 6y ago
    Are you running extensions/adblockers in FF?
    - jlokier 6y ago
      Of course. That payment problem is fixed now though. It was broken for a few months and is fine now.
      - the-dude 6y ago
        Are you sure it was FF and not the adblocker?
        jlokier 6y ago
        Of course not. There's also no way to be sure it was FF in general and not the particular version(s) of FF Beta I was running at the time. There is no way to know which of numerous factors might contribute without running from a blank profile, which isn't something anyone would do unless really keen on investigating a problem, as it's easier to just run a different browser instead. If a payment process gets stuck due to an FF-specific adblocker, I'd still count that as an accident of implementation affecting FF users, because final stage payment processes don't have any reason to call up ad-blocked services, and most FF users use an adblocker, don't they?
        takluyver 6y ago
        I periodically see sites broken in Firefox until I turn off uBlock and/or Privacy Badger - including issues with paying like you describe. But I've always assumed that the same would happen in Chrome if I had the same extensions installed there. This seems more like 'locking out people with adblockers' than 'locking out Firefox', even if there's substantial overlap.
        nitrogen 6y ago
        It's distressingly common for JS developers to just throw something like "t.track('payment')" in the onclick handler for the last button (or every button) in a payment flow, where "t" is some analytics package you've blocked. No exception handling, of course, so when the analytics package isn't loaded, nothing happens when you click the button. If you're lucky, there will be a console message logged saying something like "unable to call method track on undefined".
        the-dude 6y ago
        Are you hacking our website?!?!?! ?
- couchridr 6y ago
  Firefox won’t display iCloud.com for me. Of course safari will. I couldn’t determine why; I have customized perhaps a dozen variables within Firefox so it is hard to know wether iCloud depends on any of them.

by xacky 6y ago

the-dude 6y ago

Which sites are 'locking out' Firefox?

jlokier 6y ago
Some things lock out Firefox as an accident of implementation. I don't recall which site it was for me recently, perhaps Sainsbury's, but I reached a card payment screen and it just would not accept payment - it kept getting stuck with a spinner making no progress at the payment stage. Opened exactly the same page in Safari and it worked fine quickly. Next time it happened again, and I remembered that I needed to switch browser.
- the-dude 6y ago
  Are you running extensions/adblockers in FF?
  - jlokier 6y ago
    Of course. That payment problem is fixed now though. It was broken for a few months and is fine now.
    - the-dude 6y ago
      Are you sure it was FF and not the adblocker?
      - jlokier 6y ago
        Of course not. There's also no way to be sure it was FF in general and not the particular version(s) of FF Beta I was running at the time. There is no way to know which of numerous factors might contribute without running from a blank profile, which isn't something anyone would do unless really keen on investigating a problem, as it's easier to just run a different browser instead. If a payment process gets stuck due to an FF-specific adblocker, I'd still count that as an accident of implementation affecting FF users, because final stage payment processes don't have any reason to call up ad-blocked services, and most FF users use an adblocker, don't they?
        takluyver 6y ago
        I periodically see sites broken in Firefox until I turn off uBlock and/or Privacy Badger - including issues with paying like you describe. But I've always assumed that the same would happen in Chrome if I had the same extensions installed there. This seems more like 'locking out people with adblockers' than 'locking out Firefox', even if there's substantial overlap.
        nitrogen 6y ago
        It's distressingly common for JS developers to just throw something like "t.track('payment')" in the onclick handler for the last button (or every button) in a payment flow, where "t" is some analytics package you've blocked. No exception handling, of course, so when the analytics package isn't loaded, nothing happens when you click the button. If you're lucky, there will be a console message logged saying something like "unable to call method track on undefined".
        the-dude 6y ago
        Are you hacking our website?!?!?! ?
couchridr 6y ago
Firefox won’t display iCloud.com for me. Of course safari will. I couldn’t determine why; I have customized perhaps a dozen variables within Firefox so it is hard to know wether iCloud depends on any of them.