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The interesting discussion would be about the indigenous people (Native people so to speak) in Germany and France claiming back land exactly as we Germans try t

The interesting discussion would be about the indigenous people (Native people so to speak) in Germany and France claiming back land exactly as we Germans try to enforce in Brazil and US.

delecti 6y ago
There are German and French indigenous? Do you have any more info? I'm super curious to learn more, but I'm not sure what search to start with.
- pelasaco 6y ago
  Well Indigenous are nothing else than Native people. Or how do you define Indigenous? You could start with a dictionary ;) From Oxford Dictionary: originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native. "the indigenous peoples of Siberia" Beside it you have for sure groups like Sorbs and Danes[2] References: [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples [2]: https://www.refworld.org/docid/4954ce03c.html https://www.refworld.org/docid/4954ce03c.html [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans#:~:text=The%20migration%2Dperiod%20peoples%20who,the%20formation%20of%20the%20Germans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans#:~:text=The%20migratio....
  - delecti 6y ago
    I suppose my confusion comes because I'm not really aware of any significant demographic shift in either of those countries in the past couple thousand years, so I wouldn't have thought the distinction of "indigenous" vs "non-indigenous" to be super relevant. I would also typically consider the connotations of "indigenous" to imply some degree of colonization, meaning that unless there's a group of people I'm not aware of, an "indigenous German" is just a "German".
    - pelasaco 6y ago
      Today you have native Germans and German citizens. Like the same as Brazilian citizens and Native people, i guess? To Imagine the same scenario that we Germans want to enforce in Brazil like "Give the Forest back to the Indigenous People" or "Let them live as their ancestors lived originally" but with people from Thuringia, Bavaria or Saxony claiming land to live how their ancestors lived back in the days is either bizarre or hypocritical. Reference: https://www.dw.com/en/indigenous-land-demarcation-sparks-divisions-in-brazil/a-40024186 https://www.dw.com/en/indigenous-land-demarcation-sparks-div...

The interesting discussion would be about the indigenous people (Native people so to speak) in Germany and France claiming back land exactly as we Germans try to enforce in Brazil and US.

delecti 6y ago

There are German and French indigenous? Do you have any more info? I'm super curious to learn more, but I'm not sure what search to start with.

pelasaco 6y ago
Well Indigenous are nothing else than Native people. Or how do you define Indigenous? You could start with a dictionary ;) From Oxford Dictionary: originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native. "the indigenous peoples of Siberia" Beside it you have for sure groups like Sorbs and Danes[2] References: [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indigenous_peoples [2]: https://www.refworld.org/docid/4954ce03c.html https://www.refworld.org/docid/4954ce03c.html [3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans#:~:text=The%20migration%2Dperiod%20peoples%20who,the%20formation%20of%20the%20Germans https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Germans#:~:text=The%20migratio....
- delecti 6y ago
  I suppose my confusion comes because I'm not really aware of any significant demographic shift in either of those countries in the past couple thousand years, so I wouldn't have thought the distinction of "indigenous" vs "non-indigenous" to be super relevant. I would also typically consider the connotations of "indigenous" to imply some degree of colonization, meaning that unless there's a group of people I'm not aware of, an "indigenous German" is just a "German".
  - pelasaco 6y ago
    Today you have native Germans and German citizens. Like the same as Brazilian citizens and Native people, i guess? To Imagine the same scenario that we Germans want to enforce in Brazil like "Give the Forest back to the Indigenous People" or "Let them live as their ancestors lived originally" but with people from Thuringia, Bavaria or Saxony claiming land to live how their ancestors lived back in the days is either bizarre or hypocritical. Reference: https://www.dw.com/en/indigenous-land-demarcation-sparks-divisions-in-brazil/a-40024186 https://www.dw.com/en/indigenous-land-demarcation-sparks-div...