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Good luck getting the same quality of service as gmail with your own mail server. The fact that gmail fails every so often (extremely rarely actually) is a good
by oakfr 6y ago
Good luck getting the same quality of service as gmail with your own mail server. The fact that gmail fails every so often (extremely rarely actually) is a good sign: zero failure would mean that they are over-investing in quality and losing flexibility. Gmail only needs to be as good as the best web service out there.
- gpmcadam 6y agoBut you can pay for email from other providers like Fastmail and Proton and just have your own domain with MX pointing at them. Services are better in my opinion when you pay for them and you’re not the product.
- fwn 6y ago> Services are better in my opinion when you pay for them and you’re not the product. Services also tend to be better if lock-in effects on customers are low. ... and using your own domain for email does reduce lock-in significantly. unrelated: the link in your profile does not seem to work.
- gpmcadam 6y agothanks! i stopped using keybase when they were acquired by zoom and didn't update my bio.
- oakfr 6y agoDoes gmail have such a big lock-in effect on users since it allows them to use the gmail interface with their own email? (i.e. you can split the service and the UI)
- madsbuch 6y agoYes, gmail is complete lock in (with current legislation). You can not move your `@gmail.com` address to another provider eg. Proton. But there is a case for making legislation forcing email providers to allow moving emails to other providers (how it should be done technically is another question). This is already in effect for telephone numbers many places.
- gpmcadam 6y agoI was lucky enough to get in at the ground for the Apps for Business (or whatever name it has now) service when it was free, and I was able to use my own domain for that. As such, migrating these email addresses was easy enough. My older @gmail and @googlemail ones though, not so easy. I've been moving each account I have used with these addresses one-by-one, but you never catch them all and even when you do, some services simply will not let you change your email address. I recall being so excited when Gmail first launched and was one of the first people to get a Beta invite. I regret ever signing up for them now, given the headache it has been to get off it.
- madsbuch 6y agoParent suggests to just run mail on your own domain. The main thing here is to avoid single point of failure as in both domains (politically induced problems) and infrastructure (technically induced problems). If people would use more than just a handful domains/providers for mail then single failures would not have that big of an impact. I have been hosting my mail on my own domain for the past 3 years and have not been impacted by this incident. Currently I am happy for protonmail that I use to host my mails at. But I know that I can easily move on, if service drops, and even selfhost.
- martin_a 6y agoUptimes in Germany are usually 99.9% for most hosters. I think Gmail has lost to all of those yesterday.
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- LoSboccacc 6y ago> the same quality of service and the weight of google as well! an individual mail getting onto an blacklist is most often than not a dead sentence for the address, the domain and sometimes even the ip. but if google is at fault and email get into a permanently removed bucket, like in this event, it's in the interest of the other to play nice and accommodate for the fault. I think people severely underestimate how hard it actually is to consistently deliver email in 2020 between dkim, spf and domain keys while tiptoeing around everyone else ip/email antispam services.