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> it’s a bloody government with all the powers that entails Still doesn’t have any physical police authority.

by jevgeni 6y ago

fogihujy 6y ago
Yet.
- jevgeni 6y ago
  Yet internet commenters pretend that they do, to make flawed, emotional points.
  - fogihujy 6y ago
    This is a bit off-topic, but personally, I believe it to be a matter of when rather than if. For now, the EU does have indirect ways of enforcing EU-wide legislation, as individual member countries will implement EU directives and enforce them. Thus, laws written in Brussels could result in people getting arrested, even if it ended up being a Dutch or Polish police officer doing the actual arresting. The EU does, however, tend to stick to things that result in economical sanctions and fines, rather than incarceration. Apple, on the other hand, has no such legislative powers.
    - username90 6y ago
      As long as countries can leave the EU there is no way it will become as top down governed as US is. If the EU feds started to be as heavy handed as the US feds then the union would break apart, and since it is legal to leave in EU unlike US it wouldn't become a civil war.
SllX 6y ago
It doesn’t have to because the national governments are charged with enforcing EU laws.
- username90 6y ago
  The police follow their local laws and not EU laws and EU laws aren't automatically adopted by countries. And so far local politicians often refuse to enact EU laws when they don't make sense, and there isn't much EU can do about it since the local politicians are more powerful than EU politicians, instead EU tend to make exceptions for those who refuse. Lastly unlike US countries can still leave EU. If they make it illegal to leave then I'd worry, but until then the local government always comes first, since if EU pressures them too much they'd just leave.
  - SllX 6y ago
    Put that way, the EU sounds more impotent than I have been led to believe, and I already thought it was a fairly impotent form of government. Who is collecting all of these GDPR fines if not the national governments?
    - jevgeni 6y ago
      EU is not a form of government to begin with.
      - SllX 6y ago
        The EU has a legislature, it passes laws, has borders, citizens and a monetary policy. It has limited executive functions but it does have some. It even has courts. You sure about that? I’m open to the idea, but I don’t see it. A sui generis government that doesn’t perfectly fit the mold of prior systems is still a government. Maybe a more apt description is a government of governments? Sell me on your take.
        jevgeni 6y ago
        My take is the definition of the word "government". What you are describing isn't a government, you are describing a state.
  - jevgeni 6y ago

> it’s a bloody government with all the powers that entails Still doesn’t have any physical police authority.

fogihujy 6y ago

Yet.

jevgeni 6y ago
Yet internet commenters pretend that they do, to make flawed, emotional points.
- fogihujy 6y ago
  This is a bit off-topic, but personally, I believe it to be a matter of when rather than if. For now, the EU does have indirect ways of enforcing EU-wide legislation, as individual member countries will implement EU directives and enforce them. Thus, laws written in Brussels could result in people getting arrested, even if it ended up being a Dutch or Polish police officer doing the actual arresting. The EU does, however, tend to stick to things that result in economical sanctions and fines, rather than incarceration. Apple, on the other hand, has no such legislative powers.
  - username90 6y ago
    As long as countries can leave the EU there is no way it will become as top down governed as US is. If the EU feds started to be as heavy handed as the US feds then the union would break apart, and since it is legal to leave in EU unlike US it wouldn't become a civil war.

SllX 6y ago

It doesn’t have to because the national governments are charged with enforcing EU laws.

username90 6y ago
The police follow their local laws and not EU laws and EU laws aren't automatically adopted by countries. And so far local politicians often refuse to enact EU laws when they don't make sense, and there isn't much EU can do about it since the local politicians are more powerful than EU politicians, instead EU tend to make exceptions for those who refuse. Lastly unlike US countries can still leave EU. If they make it illegal to leave then I'd worry, but until then the local government always comes first, since if EU pressures them too much they'd just leave.
- SllX 6y ago
  Put that way, the EU sounds more impotent than I have been led to believe, and I already thought it was a fairly impotent form of government. Who is collecting all of these GDPR fines if not the national governments?
  - jevgeni 6y ago
    EU is not a form of government to begin with.
    - SllX 6y ago
      The EU has a legislature, it passes laws, has borders, citizens and a monetary policy. It has limited executive functions but it does have some. It even has courts. You sure about that? I’m open to the idea, but I don’t see it. A sui generis government that doesn’t perfectly fit the mold of prior systems is still a government. Maybe a more apt description is a government of governments? Sell me on your take.
      - jevgeni 6y ago
        My take is the definition of the word "government". What you are describing isn't a government, you are describing a state.
- jevgeni 6y ago