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I saw someone post a synopsis on Reddit (forgot the sub) of the actual recorded phone call and these were the points mentioned: - QA was limited and done in-ho

I saw someone post a synopsis on Reddit (forgot the sub) of the actual recorded phone call and these were the points mentioned: - QA was limited and done in-house, thus remotely by people working on the game - Overestimated their ability to fix the problems before launch - Reviewers didn't have access to last-gen console versions because they were still working on the last-gen versions through the certification process up until launch day Of course, I don't put much weight on any of these. However, I'm sure there was a fair bit of pressure from investors to release during the holidays considering some of the questions asked during the call, like how "sticky" the game was despite the problems and whether they would still receive their full cut regardless of the refunds.

jay_kyburz 6y ago
Question remains, why did Microsoft and Sony certify them?
- cbozeman 6y ago
  You have to ask? Its holiday season in the middle of the worst pandemic in 100 years, with hundreds of millions of people worldwide being on lockdown, or some form of lockdown, with absolutely jack shit to do other than work from home (if you even can), learn something (most people will not do this), or play video games. New movies and television have been woefully shitty. Its always easier for ask for forgiveness than permission. <- old military adage They're asking for forgiveness now, and I'd argue it'll work.
  - shawnz 6y ago
    As someone who bought the game as a Christmas gift, I am more concerned about how it will play at a Christmas-day patch level. I am actually happy I was able to get the physical media ahead of time, even if what they shipped at launch was buggy.
    - cbozeman 6y ago
      You'll probably be happy with your purchase. There's already a patch that fixes 600 bugs, and they're working on another patch that should be released by December 21st. Christmas Day should be a little shitty for your gift recipient, in that that they'll have to download a big fat patch, but hey, at least the game should work well. Assuming you got the PC / PS5 / Xbox Series X version. If you didn't... yikes.
      - shawnz 6y ago
        Unfortunately PS4 (although at least they are running a PS4 Pro).
        cbozeman 6y ago
        They estimate February, but honestly I'm thinking it'll be never. The sad simple truth is that this game was never designed with current gen consoles in mind. It was always designed for PCs. When the now-current gen consoles were announced and specs got tossed around, CDPR realized they were basically mid-tier gaming PCs, so they would run the game fairly well.
        alias_neo 6y ago
        I'll reserve final judgement for when the PS5 version comes out, but aside from 60FPS, the current build looks like crap on PS5. It runs sub 1080p most of the time, lighting and shadows are horrific, it's technically speaking the worst looking PS4 game I've played, including on an actual PS4. Visually in terms of atmosphere it looks great, if you can see through the low resolution and terrible LOD. I believe they can and will fix these things; what I'm not confident will ever be fixed though, is the AI/game logic, it seems like it just hasn't been written/implemented at anything more than the most basic placeholder.
        mypalmike 6y ago
        > runs sub 1080p most of the time Does it change resolution as you play?
  - _cs2017_ 6y ago
    "Easier for ask for forgiveness than permission": perhaps, but it's not obvious to me. One the one hand, a further delay risks losing out a big part of sales. Dedicated fans will buy anyway, but presumably a large fraction of preorders came from people who just jumped on the hype. And who knows if you can recreate this hype after the pandemic ends, after other games come out, after you delay the release over and over. And yes, you can fix some of the damage later. On the other hand, the company had an incredible reputation for quality, maybe one of the best in the industry. How much of the lost reputation will not be recovered, even after all the refunds and patches? Future games will get less preorders, so less cashflow, so more dependence on external funding - an extra source of risks and tension. Future games will not get as much hype, so will sell less. Even hiring might suffer as the best candidates are quite sensitive to the employer reputation.
    - cbozeman 6y ago
      Anyone that's truly on the fence already knows what to do, they've seen it happen with all three Witcher games. Wait two years, then buy them for $40, or wait for a GOG sale and get the Game of the Year Edition for $20. I pre-ordered Cyberpunk 2077 because I like this setting much more than the setting of The Witcher. Don't regret it.
  - killtimeatwork 6y ago
    This kind of ruins one of the selling points of consoles - that the game that you buy for them just work. They're more expensive than PC ones, but there experience is disappointment and frustration free. Looks like it's not so anymore.
- jsnell 6y ago
  Doesn't the article answer that? CDPR was confident they would fix it in time for release, and MS and Sony trusted them due to the track record. Though looking at especially the Xbox One S footage, it is hard to believe anyone could be trusted to make it playable in a few weeks.
- nvrspyx 6y ago
  From what I understand, certification is mainly making sure the game doesn't: 1. Crash often 2. Cause issues with the underlying OS intentionally or not (like how an Anthem update supposedly caused PS4s to need to be initialized or recovered) 3. Disobey guidelines like using the official patch process, multiplayer APIs, etc.
  - JohnJamesRambo 6y ago
    From what I am reading it certainly does crash often on PS4.
- Algent 6y ago
  For me it's highly probable the last delay have been caused by the game being denied the certification at first. Since it's a critical time for both of them not only because it's christmas but also because of the new gen I'm also pretty sure they decided it was more worthwhile for them to still certify it the second time even if it wasn't up to the standards.
- dkersten 6y ago
  I saw this answered somewhere: the certification is only concerned with if your game bricks the console and not at all about the quality of the game itself. Having said that, surely someone from the certification process would have commented on it: hey guys, your game doesn't brick the base PS4, but come on, its a buggy mess!
kuu 6y ago
This was the call: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/kde2jj/cd_projekt_red_emergency_board_call/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/kde2jj/cd_projekt_re...

jay_kyburz 6y ago

Question remains, why did Microsoft and Sony certify them?

cbozeman 6y ago
You have to ask? Its holiday season in the middle of the worst pandemic in 100 years, with hundreds of millions of people worldwide being on lockdown, or some form of lockdown, with absolutely jack shit to do other than work from home (if you even can), learn something (most people will not do this), or play video games. New movies and television have been woefully shitty. Its always easier for ask for forgiveness than permission. <- old military adage They're asking for forgiveness now, and I'd argue it'll work.
- shawnz 6y ago
  As someone who bought the game as a Christmas gift, I am more concerned about how it will play at a Christmas-day patch level. I am actually happy I was able to get the physical media ahead of time, even if what they shipped at launch was buggy.
  - cbozeman 6y ago
    You'll probably be happy with your purchase. There's already a patch that fixes 600 bugs, and they're working on another patch that should be released by December 21st. Christmas Day should be a little shitty for your gift recipient, in that that they'll have to download a big fat patch, but hey, at least the game should work well. Assuming you got the PC / PS5 / Xbox Series X version. If you didn't... yikes.
    - shawnz 6y ago
      Unfortunately PS4 (although at least they are running a PS4 Pro).
      - cbozeman 6y ago
        They estimate February, but honestly I'm thinking it'll be never. The sad simple truth is that this game was never designed with current gen consoles in mind. It was always designed for PCs. When the now-current gen consoles were announced and specs got tossed around, CDPR realized they were basically mid-tier gaming PCs, so they would run the game fairly well.
        alias_neo 6y ago
        I'll reserve final judgement for when the PS5 version comes out, but aside from 60FPS, the current build looks like crap on PS5. It runs sub 1080p most of the time, lighting and shadows are horrific, it's technically speaking the worst looking PS4 game I've played, including on an actual PS4. Visually in terms of atmosphere it looks great, if you can see through the low resolution and terrible LOD. I believe they can and will fix these things; what I'm not confident will ever be fixed though, is the AI/game logic, it seems like it just hasn't been written/implemented at anything more than the most basic placeholder.
        mypalmike 6y ago
        > runs sub 1080p most of the time Does it change resolution as you play?
- _cs2017_ 6y ago
  "Easier for ask for forgiveness than permission": perhaps, but it's not obvious to me. One the one hand, a further delay risks losing out a big part of sales. Dedicated fans will buy anyway, but presumably a large fraction of preorders came from people who just jumped on the hype. And who knows if you can recreate this hype after the pandemic ends, after other games come out, after you delay the release over and over. And yes, you can fix some of the damage later. On the other hand, the company had an incredible reputation for quality, maybe one of the best in the industry. How much of the lost reputation will not be recovered, even after all the refunds and patches? Future games will get less preorders, so less cashflow, so more dependence on external funding - an extra source of risks and tension. Future games will not get as much hype, so will sell less. Even hiring might suffer as the best candidates are quite sensitive to the employer reputation.
  - cbozeman 6y ago
    Anyone that's truly on the fence already knows what to do, they've seen it happen with all three Witcher games. Wait two years, then buy them for $40, or wait for a GOG sale and get the Game of the Year Edition for $20. I pre-ordered Cyberpunk 2077 because I like this setting much more than the setting of The Witcher. Don't regret it.
- killtimeatwork 6y ago
  This kind of ruins one of the selling points of consoles - that the game that you buy for them just work. They're more expensive than PC ones, but there experience is disappointment and frustration free. Looks like it's not so anymore.
jsnell 6y ago
Doesn't the article answer that? CDPR was confident they would fix it in time for release, and MS and Sony trusted them due to the track record. Though looking at especially the Xbox One S footage, it is hard to believe anyone could be trusted to make it playable in a few weeks.
nvrspyx 6y ago
From what I understand, certification is mainly making sure the game doesn't: 1. Crash often 2. Cause issues with the underlying OS intentionally or not (like how an Anthem update supposedly caused PS4s to need to be initialized or recovered) 3. Disobey guidelines like using the official patch process, multiplayer APIs, etc.
- JohnJamesRambo 6y ago
  From what I am reading it certainly does crash often on PS4.
Algent 6y ago
For me it's highly probable the last delay have been caused by the game being denied the certification at first. Since it's a critical time for both of them not only because it's christmas but also because of the new gen I'm also pretty sure they decided it was more worthwhile for them to still certify it the second time even if it wasn't up to the standards.
dkersten 6y ago
I saw this answered somewhere: the certification is only concerned with if your game bricks the console and not at all about the quality of the game itself. Having said that, surely someone from the certification process would have commented on it: hey guys, your game doesn't brick the base PS4, but come on, its a buggy mess!

kuu 6y ago

This was the call: https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/kde2jj/cd_projekt_red_emergency_board_call/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share https://www.reddit.com/r/Games/comments/kde2jj/cd_projekt_re...