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I was actually talking about this one person's situation. They're on HN so they should be aware of the risks and means of mitigation, including means against sh

I was actually talking about this one person's situation. They're on HN so they should be aware of the risks and means of mitigation, including means against shadow profiling. If they weren't, they should be by now, and still have means to extricate themselves from it. Facebook is despicable in its practices and I cannot wait to see it die. It's like asking why can't I get my garbage back because I threw it in the recycling bin but they incinerated it.

avianlyric 6y ago
Yeah the whole point of GDPR is that it shouldn't be up to individuals to protect themselves from crap like this > They're on HN so they should be aware of the risks and means of mitigation, including means against shadow profiling. If they weren't, they should be by now, and still have means to extricate themselves from it. Facebook is despicable in its practices and I cannot wait to see it die. EU society has decided it's despicable, and thanks to our functioning democracy, national and super national governments are taking direct action to protect their citizens. Which is the first mandate of any democratic government. Venturing into the internet should not require me to do hours worth of research on how to prevent tracking and fingerprinting. Companies should respect my right to privacy, and my government should annihilate companies that refuse to follow the rules. There's a reason why Europe doesn't have an equivalent to the US 2nd amendment, that's because we trust and expect our governments to offer that protection on our behalf. I respect the fact that US culture has a different view, but that doesn't mean I think European's should adopt a similar culture.
- uncomputation 6y ago
  > Venturing into the internet should [not?] require me to do hours worth of research on how to prevent tracking and fingerprinting. Companies should respect my right to privacy, and my government should annihilate companies that refuse to follow the rules. Very true. We don’t expect consumers to read medical and pharmaceutical journals to know that their medications are safe. We have agencies for that. The same for cars, building codes, etc. and I believe the same for the Internet.
- pilsetnieks 6y ago
  That was a response to that one person about their own personal situation. By context I can assume that they know what they're doing. You can be in full support of the law while still cautioning to avoid the criminals. The law does exist, especially in the EU where they're from (at least until the end of the year) but there are wolves about. You should still protect yourself if you can.
  - avianlyric 6y ago
    Check the usernames. I am that person. Your argument amounts to little more than victim blaming, and does nothing to help those who don’t have the knowledge to protect themselves.
uncomputation 6y ago
Sure, maybe people more familiar with the ins and outs and news cycles of Big Tech can prepare themselves (the only way I see is to just delete Facebook of course). But the average user who just wants to connect socially with others or follow pages shouldn’t have to read FCC filings to sleep at night. I think a better analogy with the recycling bin is if the company who owned the bin (say, WM) suddenly started selling your junk mail to amass a psychological profile of you for advertising purposes. Sure, you can say maybe you shouldn’t have trusted the company (after all, companies suck) but at some point we have to stop blaming the users and go at the root.

avianlyric 6y ago

Yeah the whole point of GDPR is that it shouldn't be up to individuals to protect themselves from crap like this > They're on HN so they should be aware of the risks and means of mitigation, including means against shadow profiling. If they weren't, they should be by now, and still have means to extricate themselves from it. Facebook is despicable in its practices and I cannot wait to see it die. EU society has decided it's despicable, and thanks to our functioning democracy, national and super national governments are taking direct action to protect their citizens. Which is the first mandate of any democratic government. Venturing into the internet should not require me to do hours worth of research on how to prevent tracking and fingerprinting. Companies should respect my right to privacy, and my government should annihilate companies that refuse to follow the rules. There's a reason why Europe doesn't have an equivalent to the US 2nd amendment, that's because we trust and expect our governments to offer that protection on our behalf. I respect the fact that US culture has a different view, but that doesn't mean I think European's should adopt a similar culture.

uncomputation 6y ago
> Venturing into the internet should [not?] require me to do hours worth of research on how to prevent tracking and fingerprinting. Companies should respect my right to privacy, and my government should annihilate companies that refuse to follow the rules. Very true. We don’t expect consumers to read medical and pharmaceutical journals to know that their medications are safe. We have agencies for that. The same for cars, building codes, etc. and I believe the same for the Internet.
pilsetnieks 6y ago
That was a response to that one person about their own personal situation. By context I can assume that they know what they're doing. You can be in full support of the law while still cautioning to avoid the criminals. The law does exist, especially in the EU where they're from (at least until the end of the year) but there are wolves about. You should still protect yourself if you can.
- avianlyric 6y ago
  Check the usernames. I am that person. Your argument amounts to little more than victim blaming, and does nothing to help those who don’t have the knowledge to protect themselves.

uncomputation 6y ago

Sure, maybe people more familiar with the ins and outs and news cycles of Big Tech can prepare themselves (the only way I see is to just delete Facebook of course). But the average user who just wants to connect socially with others or follow pages shouldn’t have to read FCC filings to sleep at night. I think a better analogy with the recycling bin is if the company who owned the bin (say, WM) suddenly started selling your junk mail to amass a psychological profile of you for advertising purposes. Sure, you can say maybe you shouldn’t have trusted the company (after all, companies suck) but at some point we have to stop blaming the users and go at the root.