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Playing it on PC and I'm really enjoying it. There seem to be two factions: Anyone who expected a GTA like open world game has to be severely disappointed. Bu

by kharak 6y ago

Playing it on PC and I'm really enjoying it. There seem to be two factions: Anyone who expected a GTA like open world game has to be severely disappointed. But if you're there for the story and Cyberpunk look & feel, you'll have a good time. Of course, this excludes the console issues. Console players got shafted. CD Project might be able to fix that to some degree, but the reputational damage is done.

meddlepal 6y ago
PC here, agree it's fun and I think some people are definitely expecting GTA from a developer that has absolutely no experience making something like GTA. GTA is GTA because Rockstar perfected the formula and the engine over several iterations of the game. I'm sure every GTA is a mountain of work to create, but its a considerably smaller mountain than starting from scratch. But putting GTA aside, I don't think CDPR ever promised to create a Cyberpunk-GTA clone. There's a lot of small bugs. It doesn't run particularly well, but I'll say it again - the core game is fun and story well written. I'm taking a break, but I look forward to revisiting after the first few big patches. Edit: One thing that's always worked for me is to amortize the cost of purchase by time played. If I get only six hours of Cyberpunk 2077 played at $60. That's 10/hr for entertainment... which is better than a lot of stuff. I'll probably sink 50 or 60 hours into the game completing the main story. That's $1/hr of entertainment... ridiculously good value. Gamers are so cranky.
- castratikron 6y ago
  550 hours on Overwatch, 11 cents an hour is pretty good.
- friendlybus 6y ago
  Some people spent hours in No Man's Sky too. The cost per hour only matters if you can put up with 'flaws'. Most expected the latest and greatest, what they got was not that. Every hype/drop cycle is the same, but this cycle is filled with more valid complaints than normal, depressingly. People felt burnt on Oblivion in 2013 because it was boring green forests and unappealing face design. That game pretty much worked for hundreds of hours of content. Cyberpunk can't even get the basic mechanics right.
  - no_one_ever 6y ago
    Oblivion was released way earlier than 2013 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion
  - Kiro 6y ago
    Are you saying No Man's Sky is a bad game? It's the greatest comeback the gaming world has ever seen. I've clocked hundreds of hours by now. Absolutely amazing game.
    - friendlybus 6y ago
      When it came out it was a pointless and mostly buggy grind-a-thon. Some played it to 'chill out and relax' and could have argued the $/hr was a positive ratio when 99.95% of people did not share that experience. I haven't played it since launch, it made for a good internet historian video!
      - Kiro 6y ago
        Ah, I misunderstood. Sorry! I agree. I played it a few hours on launch at a friend's place and it was completely underwhelming.
- jpsalm 6y ago
  >One thing that's always worked for me is to amortize the cost of purchase by time played. If I get only six hours of Cyberpunk 2077 played at $60. That's 10/hr for entertainment... which is better than a lot of stuff. I'll probably sink 50 or 60 hours into the game completing the main story. That's $1/hr of entertainment... ridiculously good value. The amount of time we have is finite, attaching a dollars per hour figure to it is a hilariously bad metric to judge how much value entertainment has. People don't play X's and O's all day because it's great value.
  - cbozeman 6y ago
    I agree.. its very much a quality of experience for me. I paid $250 for a six person table with dinner at the Mississippi Symphony Orchestra while they played all the best pieces of John Williams' music from his many film scores. Only a two hour concert, but the Jurassic Park theme made me tear up, and I was only 10 feet from the orchestra. I paid $300 for two Conductor's Box seats at the MSO for myself and a girl I was dating to see the Harry Potter in Concert series, where you watch a Harry Potter movie while the orchestra plays all the music from the film live. For me, it was hit or miss, since I was too old to really get into Harry Potter, but the lady I was seeing was 15 years younger than me, so it really affected her, which of course really benefited me. Both cases, money well spent.
    - itsagavin 6y ago
      Imagine bragging about buying sex.
- tidepod12 6y ago
  >some people are definitely expecting GTA ... I don't think CDPR ever promised to create a Cyberpunk-GTA clone I don't think this is fair at all. From the earliest days of their marketing, CDPR was promising that Cyberpunk2077 would have "unprecedented" levels of customization, open world interaction, and next-level AIs. It may have been foolish for people to believe that would come true, but CDPR definitely did promise this, and I think it's perfectly understandable that many people feel that they were straight up lied to. It's a classic case where CDPR just overhyped itself too much. If you ignore the ridiculous amount of bugs, it is a decent game, but it definitely is not at all the "unprecedented" game that CDPR hyped it up to be.
  - freeflight 6y ago
    > If you ignore the ridiculous amount of bugs It has some open world jank, which is inconvenient but pretty much part of the genre even for experienced behemoths like Rockstar, but so far I haven't seen any wide-spread reports of actually game-breaking stuff. When talking about "ridiculous amounts of bugs", in an open-world game, much worse offenders come to mind that have been doing so for literally decades and are somehow still held in somewhat high regard regardless of that, like a Bethesda.
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- unethical_ban 6y ago
  Yeah, the hype surrounding 2077 had me thinking this was a GTA/Witcher 3 style game. Haven't played it yet. See what I did there? Compare GTA and W3? Because to me, they are similar. I mean, you can't kill random people in W3, but the "go where you want and collect and build" seems the same. If you're telling me 2077 is not open world, I'll be disappointed.
  - kuschku 6y ago
    Imagine the Novigrad chapter in Witcher 3, but 20× larger and in a futuristic setting instead. That's basically 1:1 Cyberpunk. And it's why I love Cyberpunk so much.
- ZephyrBlu 6y ago
  I wouldn't mind paying more than $60 if they actually delivered on what they promised the game was going to be.
sivakon 6y ago
These were the expectations set by CDPR and their marketing team. Open world mechanics are a joke in this game. Pedestrians look same. Driving mechanics are janky.
lm28469 6y ago
> Anyone who expected a GTA like open world game has to be severely disappointed I personally don't expect a GTA like game, but I would expect an AI/police mechanism at least as good as gta3 (2001), and it's clearly not the case which is ridiculous. Having 2020 graphics/interactions coupled with early 2000s AI breaks the immersion so bad

by kharak 6y ago

meddlepal 6y ago

PC here, agree it's fun and I think some people are definitely expecting GTA from a developer that has absolutely no experience making something like GTA. GTA is GTA because Rockstar perfected the formula and the engine over several iterations of the game. I'm sure every GTA is a mountain of work to create, but its a considerably smaller mountain than starting from scratch. But putting GTA aside, I don't think CDPR ever promised to create a Cyberpunk-GTA clone. There's a lot of small bugs. It doesn't run particularly well, but I'll say it again - the core game is fun and story well written. I'm taking a break, but I look forward to revisiting after the first few big patches. Edit: One thing that's always worked for me is to amortize the cost of purchase by time played. If I get only six hours of Cyberpunk 2077 played at $60. That's 10/hr for entertainment... which is better than a lot of stuff. I'll probably sink 50 or 60 hours into the game completing the main story. That's $1/hr of entertainment... ridiculously good value. Gamers are so cranky.

castratikron 6y ago
550 hours on Overwatch, 11 cents an hour is pretty good.
friendlybus 6y ago
Some people spent hours in No Man's Sky too. The cost per hour only matters if you can put up with 'flaws'. Most expected the latest and greatest, what they got was not that. Every hype/drop cycle is the same, but this cycle is filled with more valid complaints than normal, depressingly. People felt burnt on Oblivion in 2013 because it was boring green forests and unappealing face design. That game pretty much worked for hundreds of hours of content. Cyberpunk can't even get the basic mechanics right.
- no_one_ever 6y ago
  Oblivion was released way earlier than 2013 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scrolls_IV:_Oblivion
- Kiro 6y ago
  Are you saying No Man's Sky is a bad game? It's the greatest comeback the gaming world has ever seen. I've clocked hundreds of hours by now. Absolutely amazing game.
  - friendlybus 6y ago
    When it came out it was a pointless and mostly buggy grind-a-thon. Some played it to 'chill out and relax' and could have argued the $/hr was a positive ratio when 99.95% of people did not share that experience. I haven't played it since launch, it made for a good internet historian video!
    - Kiro 6y ago
      Ah, I misunderstood. Sorry! I agree. I played it a few hours on launch at a friend's place and it was completely underwhelming.
jpsalm 6y ago
>One thing that's always worked for me is to amortize the cost of purchase by time played. If I get only six hours of Cyberpunk 2077 played at $60. That's 10/hr for entertainment... which is better than a lot of stuff. I'll probably sink 50 or 60 hours into the game completing the main story. That's $1/hr of entertainment... ridiculously good value. The amount of time we have is finite, attaching a dollars per hour figure to it is a hilariously bad metric to judge how much value entertainment has. People don't play X's and O's all day because it's great value.
- cbozeman 6y ago
  I agree.. its very much a quality of experience for me. I paid $250 for a six person table with dinner at the Mississippi Symphony Orchestra while they played all the best pieces of John Williams' music from his many film scores. Only a two hour concert, but the Jurassic Park theme made me tear up, and I was only 10 feet from the orchestra. I paid $300 for two Conductor's Box seats at the MSO for myself and a girl I was dating to see the Harry Potter in Concert series, where you watch a Harry Potter movie while the orchestra plays all the music from the film live. For me, it was hit or miss, since I was too old to really get into Harry Potter, but the lady I was seeing was 15 years younger than me, so it really affected her, which of course really benefited me. Both cases, money well spent.
  - itsagavin 6y ago
    Imagine bragging about buying sex.
tidepod12 6y ago
>some people are definitely expecting GTA ... I don't think CDPR ever promised to create a Cyberpunk-GTA clone I don't think this is fair at all. From the earliest days of their marketing, CDPR was promising that Cyberpunk2077 would have "unprecedented" levels of customization, open world interaction, and next-level AIs. It may have been foolish for people to believe that would come true, but CDPR definitely did promise this, and I think it's perfectly understandable that many people feel that they were straight up lied to. It's a classic case where CDPR just overhyped itself too much. If you ignore the ridiculous amount of bugs, it is a decent game, but it definitely is not at all the "unprecedented" game that CDPR hyped it up to be.
- freeflight 6y ago
  > If you ignore the ridiculous amount of bugs It has some open world jank, which is inconvenient but pretty much part of the genre even for experienced behemoths like Rockstar, but so far I haven't seen any wide-spread reports of actually game-breaking stuff. When talking about "ridiculous amounts of bugs", in an open-world game, much worse offenders come to mind that have been doing so for literally decades and are somehow still held in somewhat high regard regardless of that, like a Bethesda.
- deleted 6y ago
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unethical_ban 6y ago
Yeah, the hype surrounding 2077 had me thinking this was a GTA/Witcher 3 style game. Haven't played it yet. See what I did there? Compare GTA and W3? Because to me, they are similar. I mean, you can't kill random people in W3, but the "go where you want and collect and build" seems the same. If you're telling me 2077 is not open world, I'll be disappointed.
- kuschku 6y ago
  Imagine the Novigrad chapter in Witcher 3, but 20× larger and in a futuristic setting instead. That's basically 1:1 Cyberpunk. And it's why I love Cyberpunk so much.
ZephyrBlu 6y ago
I wouldn't mind paying more than $60 if they actually delivered on what they promised the game was going to be.

sivakon 6y ago

These were the expectations set by CDPR and their marketing team. Open world mechanics are a joke in this game. Pedestrians look same. Driving mechanics are janky.

lm28469 6y ago

> Anyone who expected a GTA like open world game has to be severely disappointed I personally don't expect a GTA like game, but I would expect an AI/police mechanism at least as good as gta3 (2001), and it's clearly not the case which is ridiculous. Having 2020 graphics/interactions coupled with early 2000s AI breaks the immersion so bad