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To be honest, your data was first moved into the hands of an American company by you. You still have 15 days to force them to delete everything under threat of

To be honest, your data was first moved into the hands of an American company by you. You still have 15 days to force them to delete everything under threat of GDPR.

avianlyric 6y ago
I don't have an issue giving my data to an American company. I just don't want them to store it in the US without my explicit consent. Equally if you buy a product from a Chinese company in the US, you would expect that product to meet US standards, not Chinese standards.
- s1artibartfast 6y ago
  >Equally if you buy a product from a Chinese company in the US, you would expect that product to meet US standards, not Chinese standards. Conversely, if China had higher standards, I wouldn't be surprised if the product met the chinese standards. In this case, California standards will meet or exceed those of the UK.
  - avianlyric 6y ago
    > California standards will meet or exceed those of the UK. That's very unlikely. California may be the left-leaning, liberal, forward thinking state of the US. But it's got nothing on the EU/UK when it comes to things like food, safety or privacy standards (except for vehicle emissions where California is ahead, thanks VW). Remember the "left" in US would be considered far "right" (I don't mean neo-Nazi far right, I just mean further right wing than our mainstream right wing parties) in the UK/EU when it comes to social and economic policy.
  - pilsetnieks 6y ago
    It's not about Californian standards. Whatever standards they have, the federal government including all the alphabet agencies can still vacuum up that data. (More so since the Brits aren't American citizens.) That was the gist of the recent ECJ ruling against the so-called "privacy shields."
8note 6y ago
Theres no guarantee that it was done by you. It could be done by a company you did business with, or through some tracking pixel
- pilsetnieks 6y ago
  This is the HN crowd and they were talking about themselves. I assume they're aware means of protection against it. The rest I do feel sorry for.
uncomputation 6y ago
Sorry to be anti-capitalist real quick but what is it with HN and dying for Big Tech/1%? Do you think FB would show you the same loyalty?
- pilsetnieks 6y ago
  I was actually talking about this one person's situation. They're on HN so they should be aware of the risks and means of mitigation, including means against shadow profiling. If they weren't, they should be by now, and still have means to extricate themselves from it. Facebook is despicable in its practices and I cannot wait to see it die. It's like asking why can't I get my garbage back because I threw it in the recycling bin but they incinerated it.
  - avianlyric 6y ago
    Yeah the whole point of GDPR is that it shouldn't be up to individuals to protect themselves from crap like this > They're on HN so they should be aware of the risks and means of mitigation, including means against shadow profiling. If they weren't, they should be by now, and still have means to extricate themselves from it. Facebook is despicable in its practices and I cannot wait to see it die. EU society has decided it's despicable, and thanks to our functioning democracy, national and super national governments are taking direct action to protect their citizens. Which is the first mandate of any democratic government. Venturing into the internet should not require me to do hours worth of research on how to prevent tracking and fingerprinting. Companies should respect my right to privacy, and my government should annihilate companies that refuse to follow the rules. There's a reason why Europe doesn't have an equivalent to the US 2nd amendment, that's because we trust and expect our governments to offer that protection on our behalf. I respect the fact that US culture has a different view, but that doesn't mean I think European's should adopt a similar culture.
    - uncomputation 6y ago
      > Venturing into the internet should [not?] require me to do hours worth of research on how to prevent tracking and fingerprinting. Companies should respect my right to privacy, and my government should annihilate companies that refuse to follow the rules. Very true. We don’t expect consumers to read medical and pharmaceutical journals to know that their medications are safe. We have agencies for that. The same for cars, building codes, etc. and I believe the same for the Internet.

To be honest, your data was first moved into the hands of an American company by you. You still have 15 days to force them to delete everything under threat of GDPR.

avianlyric 6y ago

I don't have an issue giving my data to an American company. I just don't want them to store it in the US without my explicit consent. Equally if you buy a product from a Chinese company in the US, you would expect that product to meet US standards, not Chinese standards.

s1artibartfast 6y ago
>Equally if you buy a product from a Chinese company in the US, you would expect that product to meet US standards, not Chinese standards. Conversely, if China had higher standards, I wouldn't be surprised if the product met the chinese standards. In this case, California standards will meet or exceed those of the UK.
- avianlyric 6y ago
  > California standards will meet or exceed those of the UK. That's very unlikely. California may be the left-leaning, liberal, forward thinking state of the US. But it's got nothing on the EU/UK when it comes to things like food, safety or privacy standards (except for vehicle emissions where California is ahead, thanks VW). Remember the "left" in US would be considered far "right" (I don't mean neo-Nazi far right, I just mean further right wing than our mainstream right wing parties) in the UK/EU when it comes to social and economic policy.
- pilsetnieks 6y ago
  It's not about Californian standards. Whatever standards they have, the federal government including all the alphabet agencies can still vacuum up that data. (More so since the Brits aren't American citizens.) That was the gist of the recent ECJ ruling against the so-called "privacy shields."

8note 6y ago

Theres no guarantee that it was done by you. It could be done by a company you did business with, or through some tracking pixel

pilsetnieks 6y ago
This is the HN crowd and they were talking about themselves. I assume they're aware means of protection against it. The rest I do feel sorry for.

uncomputation 6y ago

Sorry to be anti-capitalist real quick but what is it with HN and dying for Big Tech/1%? Do you think FB would show you the same loyalty?

pilsetnieks 6y ago
I was actually talking about this one person's situation. They're on HN so they should be aware of the risks and means of mitigation, including means against shadow profiling. If they weren't, they should be by now, and still have means to extricate themselves from it. Facebook is despicable in its practices and I cannot wait to see it die. It's like asking why can't I get my garbage back because I threw it in the recycling bin but they incinerated it.
- avianlyric 6y ago
  Yeah the whole point of GDPR is that it shouldn't be up to individuals to protect themselves from crap like this > They're on HN so they should be aware of the risks and means of mitigation, including means against shadow profiling. If they weren't, they should be by now, and still have means to extricate themselves from it. Facebook is despicable in its practices and I cannot wait to see it die. EU society has decided it's despicable, and thanks to our functioning democracy, national and super national governments are taking direct action to protect their citizens. Which is the first mandate of any democratic government. Venturing into the internet should not require me to do hours worth of research on how to prevent tracking and fingerprinting. Companies should respect my right to privacy, and my government should annihilate companies that refuse to follow the rules. There's a reason why Europe doesn't have an equivalent to the US 2nd amendment, that's because we trust and expect our governments to offer that protection on our behalf. I respect the fact that US culture has a different view, but that doesn't mean I think European's should adopt a similar culture.
  - uncomputation 6y ago
    > Venturing into the internet should [not?] require me to do hours worth of research on how to prevent tracking and fingerprinting. Companies should respect my right to privacy, and my government should annihilate companies that refuse to follow the rules. Very true. We don’t expect consumers to read medical and pharmaceutical journals to know that their medications are safe. We have agencies for that. The same for cars, building codes, etc. and I believe the same for the Internet.