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It’s more like de-globalization, which could very well be a good thing given the multitudes of problems that have arisen out of globalization.

k_bx 6y ago
Yep. Another scary trend is the recent move of Joe Rogan under exclusively Spotify platform, together with the fact that they've removed the Podcasting part from their app for a number of countries including my own (Ukraine). I really hope there's going to be some common-sense movement that'll put this absurd to an end.
- pilsetnieks 6y ago
  That's like the complete opposite of what the comment you're replying to is talking about. They're arguing against globalization and you're against different rules for different countries. If you don't want globalization and think multiculturalism is the devil, it's kinda hypocritical to decry isolationism keeping away the global culture you do want.
  - k_bx 6y ago
    The comment states it's anti-globalization and then states "it could be a good thing", I didn't see that as "arguing against globalization", felt more like adding points to the discussion. I don't believe in utopia of full 100% globalization (one nation? one army?), but it definitely seems like a good default, and splitting the internet is kind of a worrysome trend.
pilsetnieks 6y ago
Living in a country where a global total war and several occupations of the most evil totalitarian regimes in history is still within living memory, and having been under an isolationist totalitarian power, comments like these make me shudder. Globalization has some problems. The benefits so far have massively outweighed them, especially if you take the long view. How about we try to fix those faults, instead of retreating and isolating?
- alisonkisk 6y ago
  Are you imagining that globalization will somehow create peace and prosperity between Chinese, Arabs, Jews, USAmericans, billionaires, cocoa growing child slaves, and the rest?
  - pilsetnieks 6y ago
    Yes, it already has, between most of them most of the time.
  - ben_w 6y ago
    Looking at the statistics, it’s certainly more plausible than the idea it might be making those things worse. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190111-seven-reasons-why-the-world-is-improving https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190111-seven-reasons-wh...
    - goodpoint 6y ago
      ...until you consider the looming environmental collapse.
- ironmagma 6y ago
  Centralization of supply chains, economic monoculture, increased spread of disease, increased carbon emissions, massively increased pollution. That’s a lot of risks which are mostly unquantifiable; it’s dubious to claim we know which is worse, especially in the long run. We lived without globalism for many thousands of years, it’s incredibly new and unproven.
  - Infinitesimus 6y ago
    I think the idea here is that keeping most humans alive, relatively healthy and out of poverty is good end goal and globalization helped with that. We do have unquantifiable long-term risks but I would wager you don't want to live in the days where you did from a small wound because we don't have the technology or scale to provide antibiotics.
uniqueid 6y ago
On the plus side: 75 years without a world war, so that's nice.

k_bx 6y ago

Yep. Another scary trend is the recent move of Joe Rogan under exclusively Spotify platform, together with the fact that they've removed the Podcasting part from their app for a number of countries including my own (Ukraine). I really hope there's going to be some common-sense movement that'll put this absurd to an end.

pilsetnieks 6y ago
That's like the complete opposite of what the comment you're replying to is talking about. They're arguing against globalization and you're against different rules for different countries. If you don't want globalization and think multiculturalism is the devil, it's kinda hypocritical to decry isolationism keeping away the global culture you do want.
- k_bx 6y ago
  The comment states it's anti-globalization and then states "it could be a good thing", I didn't see that as "arguing against globalization", felt more like adding points to the discussion. I don't believe in utopia of full 100% globalization (one nation? one army?), but it definitely seems like a good default, and splitting the internet is kind of a worrysome trend.

pilsetnieks 6y ago

Living in a country where a global total war and several occupations of the most evil totalitarian regimes in history is still within living memory, and having been under an isolationist totalitarian power, comments like these make me shudder. Globalization has some problems. The benefits so far have massively outweighed them, especially if you take the long view. How about we try to fix those faults, instead of retreating and isolating?

alisonkisk 6y ago
Are you imagining that globalization will somehow create peace and prosperity between Chinese, Arabs, Jews, USAmericans, billionaires, cocoa growing child slaves, and the rest?
- pilsetnieks 6y ago
  Yes, it already has, between most of them most of the time.
- ben_w 6y ago
  Looking at the statistics, it’s certainly more plausible than the idea it might be making those things worse. https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190111-seven-reasons-why-the-world-is-improving https://www.bbc.com/future/article/20190111-seven-reasons-wh...
  - goodpoint 6y ago
    ...until you consider the looming environmental collapse.
ironmagma 6y ago
Centralization of supply chains, economic monoculture, increased spread of disease, increased carbon emissions, massively increased pollution. That’s a lot of risks which are mostly unquantifiable; it’s dubious to claim we know which is worse, especially in the long run. We lived without globalism for many thousands of years, it’s incredibly new and unproven.
- Infinitesimus 6y ago
  I think the idea here is that keeping most humans alive, relatively healthy and out of poverty is good end goal and globalization helped with that. We do have unquantifiable long-term risks but I would wager you don't want to live in the days where you did from a small wound because we don't have the technology or scale to provide antibiotics.

uniqueid 6y ago

On the plus side: 75 years without a world war, so that's nice.