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Louis Rossman said it in many of his recent videos.... new york has everything, but also costs alot. You have cinemas, broadway, restaurants, everything.... and

Louis Rossman said it in many of his recent videos.... new york has everything, but also costs alot. You have cinemas, broadway, restaurants, everything.... and you pay for that privilige. Now, when all that is closed, you have only the "bad" parts (the homeless, crime, noise, bad smells... all that with a "premium price")... so, why stay? Poor people have no jobs, have to move out.... rich people don't have anything to do there, and move out because they can.

stefan_ 6y ago
But you don't pay for these things. You pay for a class of ancient benefactors of one huge ponzi scheme.
kepler1 6y ago
Even worse for San Francisco. Basically just "restaurants" and an easy getaway to outdoors. And worse on all the other fronts as well (crime, homeless, cost of living, etc). How well a city takes care of these issues in the good times and has rational/sensible policies sets it up for how it will do in bad times.
- siquick 6y ago
  > Even worse for San Francisco. Basically just "restaurants" and an easy getaway to outdoors. This wasn't my experience in San Francisco when I visited in 2016 - I saw some of the best live music in small bars I've ever heard, went to a couple of awesome free outdoor events, record shopping was quality, just walking around an area like Mission I came across a lot of interesting cafes, shops, bars, street art, and people. I was visiting from Melbourne, Australia - supposed live music capital of the world, ranked worlds most liveable city, and it has a lot of the above - and San Francisco felt pretty exciting with a lot to do.
TuringNYC 6y ago
NYC is costly, but not as costly as people think. The lifestyle is also different. 1. Most of my life in NY (pre children), we had no car, no car insurance, no parking, and rare taxis (and before our current mayor, subways worked very, very well, I rarely considered taxis.) 2. Property taxes are comparatively low to other states 3. Access to culture is widespread and cheaper than people think -- there are subsidized tickets for students, etc. Museums are plentiful and often free. Libraries are literally everywhere. 4. Access to jobs is great and you dont crush your soul with hour-long drives. And when you lose/change your job, your next job is also often in the city center, so you dont have to move homes. I live in DC suburbs now and we have one car. It is hard getting places w/o a car and the train system is good but does not cover as much of the metro as one wishes, and there are last mile issues. Property taxes are way, way higher both both homes and other property (e.g., $800/yr on my Kia minivan), but there isnt a city income tax.
- deeeeplearning 6y ago
  >NYC is costly, but not as costly as people think Oh come on, it's among the most expensive places to live in the world by almost any metric. Rent? Probably top 5 most expensive in the world. Groceries? Among the most expensive in the world. Restaurants? Among the most expensive in the world. This is bare necessities. It's not as if people in Raleigh are spending massive portions of their budget on "Culture" that somehow NYC makes up for it. >2. Property taxes are comparatively low to other states Good luck buying in NYC... Not to mention some of the highest income taxes in the US. Pick your source: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_current.jsp https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_current.jsp https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-most-expensive-cities-2020/index.html https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-most-expensive-cit... https://www.mercer.com/newsroom/2020-cost-of-living.html https://www.mercer.com/newsroom/2020-cost-of-living.html
  - ajsnigrutin 6y ago
    + proposed $3 tax for every package ordered :) ..because you can't buy anything "non essential" locally, because everything is closed... https://abc7ny.com/package-surcharge-nyc-extra-fee-for-delivery-mta-budget-robert-carroll/8615924/ https://abc7ny.com/package-surcharge-nyc-extra-fee-for-deliv...
    - deeeeplearning 6y ago
      Not that this helps costs in NY but really how many packages would you need to order in a year for this to make a significant dent in your budget?
      - ajsnigrutin 6y ago
        That adds 30% of the costs to a pack of cheap socks from amazon. That's a lot.
      - denimnerd42 6y ago
        would have increased the price I paid at amazon by 10% last year. So that's not a significant dent but on the other hand that's obscene.
saiya-jin 6y ago
Not that I disagree much, apart from one thing - that places like NY have 'everything'. If you like nature, mountains, adrenaline sports, weekend adventures without crazy commute, then NY has none. Irrelevant to some, but folks like me couldn't be bothered to even consider it even if my take home salary went 10x.
- simonh 6y ago
  If I could work in NY for 5 years and could earn 50 years worth of income and literally retire for life afterwards? I think I could find a way to bear it.
  - ghaff 6y ago
    I think that's fair. But there are very few people who are earning, say, $100K/year who could earn a reasonably guaranteed $1M/year if they would only move to NYC. I agree that if you can earn a life-changing amount of money if you only have to move to some (relatively safe) place for a few years, that's probably something most people would consider.
- dashundchen 6y ago
  I mean, the Adirondacks and Vermont are pretty amazing and are a weekend trip's distance away from New York. You can even reach them by daily Amtrak from New York. Poconos aren't very far either. And I've never been to Long Island but it would seem there's plenty of beach/natural shoreline.
- Grazester 6y ago
  There is the entire Hudson Valley, Appalachian Trail and Adirondacks(as dashundchen pointed out). The Hudson Valley start less than 30 miles outside the city. People in NYC often rent Zipcars run out there for the day.
pen2l 6y ago
Not knocking on you here, just really genuinely confused why you’d cite Louis Rossman of all people on earth for his thoughts on places to live. But maybe I’m not in on something here?
- cbozeman 6y ago
  Because Louis lives in the city and rents commercial property for his business there?? And has lived there for a long time? I mean, who better would you consult, that's pumping out YouTube videos about these problems?

stefan_ 6y ago

But you don't pay for these things. You pay for a class of ancient benefactors of one huge ponzi scheme.

kepler1 6y ago

Even worse for San Francisco. Basically just "restaurants" and an easy getaway to outdoors. And worse on all the other fronts as well (crime, homeless, cost of living, etc). How well a city takes care of these issues in the good times and has rational/sensible policies sets it up for how it will do in bad times.

siquick 6y ago
> Even worse for San Francisco. Basically just "restaurants" and an easy getaway to outdoors. This wasn't my experience in San Francisco when I visited in 2016 - I saw some of the best live music in small bars I've ever heard, went to a couple of awesome free outdoor events, record shopping was quality, just walking around an area like Mission I came across a lot of interesting cafes, shops, bars, street art, and people. I was visiting from Melbourne, Australia - supposed live music capital of the world, ranked worlds most liveable city, and it has a lot of the above - and San Francisco felt pretty exciting with a lot to do.

TuringNYC 6y ago

NYC is costly, but not as costly as people think. The lifestyle is also different. 1. Most of my life in NY (pre children), we had no car, no car insurance, no parking, and rare taxis (and before our current mayor, subways worked very, very well, I rarely considered taxis.) 2. Property taxes are comparatively low to other states 3. Access to culture is widespread and cheaper than people think -- there are subsidized tickets for students, etc. Museums are plentiful and often free. Libraries are literally everywhere. 4. Access to jobs is great and you dont crush your soul with hour-long drives. And when you lose/change your job, your next job is also often in the city center, so you dont have to move homes. I live in DC suburbs now and we have one car. It is hard getting places w/o a car and the train system is good but does not cover as much of the metro as one wishes, and there are last mile issues. Property taxes are way, way higher both both homes and other property (e.g., $800/yr on my Kia minivan), but there isnt a city income tax.

deeeeplearning 6y ago
>NYC is costly, but not as costly as people think Oh come on, it's among the most expensive places to live in the world by almost any metric. Rent? Probably top 5 most expensive in the world. Groceries? Among the most expensive in the world. Restaurants? Among the most expensive in the world. This is bare necessities. It's not as if people in Raleigh are spending massive portions of their budget on "Culture" that somehow NYC makes up for it. >2. Property taxes are comparatively low to other states Good luck buying in NYC... Not to mention some of the highest income taxes in the US. Pick your source: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_current.jsp https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/rankings_current.jsp https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-most-expensive-cities-2020/index.html https://www.cnn.com/travel/article/worlds-most-expensive-cit... https://www.mercer.com/newsroom/2020-cost-of-living.html https://www.mercer.com/newsroom/2020-cost-of-living.html
- ajsnigrutin 6y ago
  + proposed $3 tax for every package ordered :) ..because you can't buy anything "non essential" locally, because everything is closed... https://abc7ny.com/package-surcharge-nyc-extra-fee-for-delivery-mta-budget-robert-carroll/8615924/ https://abc7ny.com/package-surcharge-nyc-extra-fee-for-deliv...
  - deeeeplearning 6y ago
    Not that this helps costs in NY but really how many packages would you need to order in a year for this to make a significant dent in your budget?
    - ajsnigrutin 6y ago
      That adds 30% of the costs to a pack of cheap socks from amazon. That's a lot.
    - denimnerd42 6y ago
      would have increased the price I paid at amazon by 10% last year. So that's not a significant dent but on the other hand that's obscene.

saiya-jin 6y ago

Not that I disagree much, apart from one thing - that places like NY have 'everything'. If you like nature, mountains, adrenaline sports, weekend adventures without crazy commute, then NY has none. Irrelevant to some, but folks like me couldn't be bothered to even consider it even if my take home salary went 10x.

simonh 6y ago
If I could work in NY for 5 years and could earn 50 years worth of income and literally retire for life afterwards? I think I could find a way to bear it.
- ghaff 6y ago
  I think that's fair. But there are very few people who are earning, say, $100K/year who could earn a reasonably guaranteed $1M/year if they would only move to NYC. I agree that if you can earn a life-changing amount of money if you only have to move to some (relatively safe) place for a few years, that's probably something most people would consider.
dashundchen 6y ago
I mean, the Adirondacks and Vermont are pretty amazing and are a weekend trip's distance away from New York. You can even reach them by daily Amtrak from New York. Poconos aren't very far either. And I've never been to Long Island but it would seem there's plenty of beach/natural shoreline.
Grazester 6y ago
There is the entire Hudson Valley, Appalachian Trail and Adirondacks(as dashundchen pointed out). The Hudson Valley start less than 30 miles outside the city. People in NYC often rent Zipcars run out there for the day.

pen2l 6y ago

Not knocking on you here, just really genuinely confused why you’d cite Louis Rossman of all people on earth for his thoughts on places to live. But maybe I’m not in on something here?

cbozeman 6y ago
Because Louis lives in the city and rents commercial property for his business there?? And has lived there for a long time? I mean, who better would you consult, that's pumping out YouTube videos about these problems?