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So in looking at the first link. I had a hard time finding a single example of anyone pretending to be a journalist, except maybe the owner of the twitter accou

by Bodell 6y ago

So in looking at the first link. I had a hard time finding a single example of anyone pretending to be a journalist, except maybe the owner of the twitter account. What I did find were hundreds of videos of random people getting in fights, the owner of the account talking about the fights he had also engaged in, and a lot of claims about people being part of a secret underground antifi something or other. In reality not one of the videos seemed to be depicting anyone supporting or proclaiming that they themselves were antifi (though I’m sure there are a few somewhere in there) but most especially there was no video of evidence of any of the “secret” antifi activity that the owner of the account seems to be selling in his upcoming book. As for the second post. It is indeed a person wearing a shirt that says press on it who is not a journalist. However, the given reason was “so he would not be shot by feds” which to me highlights the spirt of this conversation, that there is growing concern as well as some evidence that the country has sifted toward a more authoritarian bent. Edit: I forgot to mention that there were no rocks or molotovs being thrown in any of the videos I saw, which there were reportedly hundreds of.

abacadaba 6y ago
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327774883002998784?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327774883002998784?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298145371009380352?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298145371009380352?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296075594896039937?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296075594896039937?s=2... https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-press-throwing-objects-police https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-press-throwing-o... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296610943514812418?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296610943514812418?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300690653714591744?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300690653714591744?s=2... https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=261099 https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=26109... From above police report link: "Portland Fire & Rescue treated two Portland Police members injured by rocks thrown by individuals in the crowd. Both of them went to the hospital for further treatment. One of the rocks (pictured) weighed 9.5 pounds and was thrown by a person in group of people wearing "press" as the officer prepared to ride away on a truck. " "At about 12:36 a.m., Portland Police began moving the crowd to the west as before. This went on for about twenty minutes. Police made more arrests. During this time people in the crowd mingled with those with "press" written on their outer garments as cover and threw rocks and bottles at police. People with "press" written on their outer garments also threw objects at police. Somebody threw a rock, which broke a window in the vehicle giving public address announcements. Others pelted the same vehicle with rocks causing dents. Other vehicles were dented by thrown objects. At least one car parked along a street had windows broken out when a rock or rocks thrown at police, missed them and struck the car windows. "
- treeman79 6y ago
  Police have people hurling the most vial insults imaginable, for hours. As well as having to endure physical assaults. This is going to cause some serious psychological damage down the road. No one takes that kind of abuse and comes away unchanged. The fact that at no point did police simply open fire in mass. Well that is truly impressive.
  - PenisBanana 6y ago
    > The fact that at no point did police simply open fire in mass. Well that is truly impressive. You think that it's "impressive" (?!) that the police, while working, did _not_ commit mass murder in response to being called names? What hideous third-world country do you live in? And while many people see the police as degenerates, your description and expectations of them are about as low as a human being could go.
- jeremysalwen 6y ago
  For all the claims and all the links posted, the only crimes I actually saw on video were police assaulting nonviolent people who were acting as press and wearing clothing labeled press. Not really the slam dunk evidence that there are tons of "fake press". It's true that there was one police report you linked mentioning people labeled "press" attacking officers, and Andy Ngo himself claimed that this is happening. Everything else is just recycling of those claims (e.g. Andy Ngo retweets that Fox News reports that Andy Ngo says fake press are attacking the police). If this really is happening all the time, I would expect it would be easy to find video evidence of it happening repeatedly, as we do find for other activities that definitely are happening all the time, like police brutality against protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95GCraUPiGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95GCraUPiGE.

by Bodell 6y ago

abacadaba 6y ago

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327774883002998784?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327774883002998784?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298145371009380352?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298145371009380352?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296075594896039937?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296075594896039937?s=2... https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-press-throwing-objects-police https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-press-throwing-o... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296610943514812418?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296610943514812418?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300690653714591744?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300690653714591744?s=2... https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=261099 https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=26109... From above police report link: "Portland Fire & Rescue treated two Portland Police members injured by rocks thrown by individuals in the crowd. Both of them went to the hospital for further treatment. One of the rocks (pictured) weighed 9.5 pounds and was thrown by a person in group of people wearing "press" as the officer prepared to ride away on a truck. " "At about 12:36 a.m., Portland Police began moving the crowd to the west as before. This went on for about twenty minutes. Police made more arrests. During this time people in the crowd mingled with those with "press" written on their outer garments as cover and threw rocks and bottles at police. People with "press" written on their outer garments also threw objects at police. Somebody threw a rock, which broke a window in the vehicle giving public address announcements. Others pelted the same vehicle with rocks causing dents. Other vehicles were dented by thrown objects. At least one car parked along a street had windows broken out when a rock or rocks thrown at police, missed them and struck the car windows. "

treeman79 6y ago
Police have people hurling the most vial insults imaginable, for hours. As well as having to endure physical assaults. This is going to cause some serious psychological damage down the road. No one takes that kind of abuse and comes away unchanged. The fact that at no point did police simply open fire in mass. Well that is truly impressive.
- PenisBanana 6y ago
  > The fact that at no point did police simply open fire in mass. Well that is truly impressive. You think that it's "impressive" (?!) that the police, while working, did _not_ commit mass murder in response to being called names? What hideous third-world country do you live in? And while many people see the police as degenerates, your description and expectations of them are about as low as a human being could go.
jeremysalwen 6y ago
For all the claims and all the links posted, the only crimes I actually saw on video were police assaulting nonviolent people who were acting as press and wearing clothing labeled press. Not really the slam dunk evidence that there are tons of "fake press". It's true that there was one police report you linked mentioning people labeled "press" attacking officers, and Andy Ngo himself claimed that this is happening. Everything else is just recycling of those claims (e.g. Andy Ngo retweets that Fox News reports that Andy Ngo says fake press are attacking the police). If this really is happening all the time, I would expect it would be easy to find video evidence of it happening repeatedly, as we do find for other activities that definitely are happening all the time, like police brutality against protestors https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95GCraUPiGE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95GCraUPiGE.