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Boston developer wants cut of Winklevoss twins' $65-million Facebook settlement

18 points by ssclafani 15y ago

cubicle67 15y ago
there's something odd going about the chin of the guy on the right
theoj 15y ago
What I find fascinating about the whole Facebook story is how many lawsuits are connected to it. Zuck vs Winklevii, Winklevii vs Chang, Zuck vs Aaron Greenspan, Zuck vs Paul Ceglia. The Facebook story is the gift that keep on giving... lawsuits, that is. Just when you think things have settled down, there's another interesting twist and another person who alleges he's been defrauded.
- thinkcomp 15y ago
  (I'm Aaron, and at least in my case it was Think Computer Corporation v. Facebook, Inc., meaning that my company was the plaintiff, not the defendant. There is a difference.) Generally, this is a good point, but there's a good explanation. Most of the key people involved did something that others might characterize as dishonest at one time or another, so it's hard to know who to believe. This is why I posted all of the evidence I had available to me in public on-line years ago. To my knowledge, no one else has. I argue that it is really the media's fault for not ever actually investigating the story, with one exception, which is 02138 Magazine's work. Sadly, 02138 no longer exists. I've written about this issue here: http://www.quora.com/Aaron-Greenspan/Mark-Zuckerberg-Should-Resign-And-If-Youre-A-Technology-Reporter-So-Should-You http://www.quora.com/Aaron-Greenspan/Mark-Zuckerberg-Should-...
peteretep 15y ago
I also want a cut, but no-one ever asks me...
- joshu 15y ago
  How about 0%? That is my final offer.
wwarneck 15y ago
Wayne Chang does a great job of telling a story using bits of history to over represent reality. He claims in several places to have worked at Napster, despite the fact that he was only a volunteer Moderator for chat on the service. Even in his linked in he lists himself as an "Administrator" but that title specifically represented a user access level above "Moderator" (both volunteer community positions) that he did not have. http://www.linkedin.com/in/waynechang http://www.linkedin.com/in/waynechang He also represents himself as a consultant to AllAdvantage, when in reality he created "click bot" that automated AllAdvantage use. This lawsuit is interesting, but I strongly encourage digging into the history of Wayne before coming to any conclusions. (Note: I was an actual Administrator for the Napster service, but never employed. I am quite familiar with Wayne "ttol" Chang from #napster on EFNet, and I've had several 'disccusion' about his LinkedIn profile with other people in similar position to me.)
- ttol 15y ago
  I was never paid by Napster, Inc (although probably should have been ;). Those were fun times. My career was just getting started so it was my pleasure to volunteer my time -- 8 to 10 hours a day. I was responsible for the Napster Ground Zero effort, which I started and managed. I was an administrator there -- not just only a chat moderator volunteer on the Napster service (although I did have the chat moderator access level as well). The Napster Ground Zero service was insanely popular and allowed napster users to have a persistent identity online, beyond just the chat service. I received a written recommendation from a Napster cofounder and created some great relationships, which was great at that early time in my career. I appreciate every moment of that experience. On a side note, it was great to connect with them again in person at the Napster 10-year reunion last year (can you believe it's already been over 10 years now?). Shawn Fanning throws amazing parties. As for AllAdvantage, I was a security consultant there. This was a paid position. I was involved directly with the company (and have maintained contact with some of the people there over the years, including the CEO). The software I created, first of its kind called MyAdvantage, got their attention. I was asked to be a security consultant for them to hunt down other software and to help protect their Viewbar software. I agreed and helped with the onslaught of the waves of similar software to my original. Sadly, their business model was fundamentally flawed, but that's an entirely different story. Great times back then. Heady days of the last dot-com boom.
daimyoyo 15y ago
Good for him. I hope he wins. The Winklevii(did Mark ever call them that? Cause it's brilliant) have made a career out of suing facebook and I'm glad they're getting some of their own medicine.
- danssig 15y ago
  If you ever have a good idea please hire me to implement it for you. Then I can throw a continuous stream of monkey wrenches into your effort while spending the rest of my time stealing it on the side. I want this arrangement with you specifically because apparently you wont even sue me for defrauding you.

18 points by ssclafani 15y ago

there's something odd going about the chin of the guy on the right

theoj 15y ago

What I find fascinating about the whole Facebook story is how many lawsuits are connected to it. Zuck vs Winklevii, Winklevii vs Chang, Zuck vs Aaron Greenspan, Zuck vs Paul Ceglia. The Facebook story is the gift that keep on giving... lawsuits, that is. Just when you think things have settled down, there's another interesting twist and another person who alleges he's been defrauded.

thinkcomp 15y ago
(I'm Aaron, and at least in my case it was Think Computer Corporation v. Facebook, Inc., meaning that my company was the plaintiff, not the defendant. There is a difference.) Generally, this is a good point, but there's a good explanation. Most of the key people involved did something that others might characterize as dishonest at one time or another, so it's hard to know who to believe. This is why I posted all of the evidence I had available to me in public on-line years ago. To my knowledge, no one else has. I argue that it is really the media's fault for not ever actually investigating the story, with one exception, which is 02138 Magazine's work. Sadly, 02138 no longer exists. I've written about this issue here: http://www.quora.com/Aaron-Greenspan/Mark-Zuckerberg-Should-Resign-And-If-Youre-A-Technology-Reporter-So-Should-You http://www.quora.com/Aaron-Greenspan/Mark-Zuckerberg-Should-...

peteretep 15y ago

I also want a cut, but no-one ever asks me...

joshu 15y ago
How about 0%? That is my final offer.

wwarneck 15y ago

Wayne Chang does a great job of telling a story using bits of history to over represent reality. He claims in several places to have worked at Napster, despite the fact that he was only a volunteer Moderator for chat on the service. Even in his linked in he lists himself as an "Administrator" but that title specifically represented a user access level above "Moderator" (both volunteer community positions) that he did not have. http://www.linkedin.com/in/waynechang http://www.linkedin.com/in/waynechang He also represents himself as a consultant to AllAdvantage, when in reality he created "click bot" that automated AllAdvantage use. This lawsuit is interesting, but I strongly encourage digging into the history of Wayne before coming to any conclusions. (Note: I was an actual Administrator for the Napster service, but never employed. I am quite familiar with Wayne "ttol" Chang from #napster on EFNet, and I've had several 'disccusion' about his LinkedIn profile with other people in similar position to me.)

ttol 15y ago
I was never paid by Napster, Inc (although probably should have been ;). Those were fun times. My career was just getting started so it was my pleasure to volunteer my time -- 8 to 10 hours a day. I was responsible for the Napster Ground Zero effort, which I started and managed. I was an administrator there -- not just only a chat moderator volunteer on the Napster service (although I did have the chat moderator access level as well). The Napster Ground Zero service was insanely popular and allowed napster users to have a persistent identity online, beyond just the chat service. I received a written recommendation from a Napster cofounder and created some great relationships, which was great at that early time in my career. I appreciate every moment of that experience. On a side note, it was great to connect with them again in person at the Napster 10-year reunion last year (can you believe it's already been over 10 years now?). Shawn Fanning throws amazing parties. As for AllAdvantage, I was a security consultant there. This was a paid position. I was involved directly with the company (and have maintained contact with some of the people there over the years, including the CEO). The software I created, first of its kind called MyAdvantage, got their attention. I was asked to be a security consultant for them to hunt down other software and to help protect their Viewbar software. I agreed and helped with the onslaught of the waves of similar software to my original. Sadly, their business model was fundamentally flawed, but that's an entirely different story. Great times back then. Heady days of the last dot-com boom.

daimyoyo 15y ago

Good for him. I hope he wins. The Winklevii(did Mark ever call them that? Cause it's brilliant) have made a career out of suing facebook and I'm glad they're getting some of their own medicine.

danssig 15y ago
If you ever have a good idea please hire me to implement it for you. Then I can throw a continuous stream of monkey wrenches into your effort while spending the rest of my time stealing it on the side. I want this arrangement with you specifically because apparently you wont even sue me for defrauding you.