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I'm not into over-powered phones, but do like a good camera. Anyone have one of the pine phones?

nyanpasu64 6y ago
The PinePhone camera is not good, blurry at high light, noisy at medium to low light levels. The Megapixels app is an attempt to create the best software possible for the PinePhone hardware, and looks less bad than the default camera used before.
kop316 6y ago
I don't use the camera really, but here's some pictures from the camera app dev: https://blog.brixit.nl/camera-on-the-pinephone/ https://blog.brixit.nl/camera-on-the-pinephone/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-part-2/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-part-2/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-adventures-part-3/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-adventures-part-3/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-pt4/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-pt4/
- 1-6 6y ago
  Yikes, those photos aren't so great. There's a decent amount of noise. I guess it's hard to compete at the level of some phone manufacturers. I do love the elegance of taking photos with commands: $ camera.py still rear.raw -c rear -r 1080p1 --raw --pixfmt $ bayer2rgb -i rear.raw -w 1920 -v 1080 -b 8 -f BGGR -t -o rear.tiff $ darktable rear.tiff
  - MartijnBraam 6y ago
    Yeah the sensor really needs daylight to get acceptable picture quality, ideally a cloudy day because it doesn't have the latitude to deal with the highlight/shadows of direct sunlight. It might be possible to get slightly more from the sensor for static scenes using astrophotography techniques like stacking but in most cases that won't be practical.
    - kop316 6y ago
      For the record, thank you for the camera app! You do awesome work.
    - ipsum2 6y ago
      The Google Pixel camera app does stacking to decrease noise and improve dynamic range. They only apply it to areas of the image that haven't moved between frames. If I had a PinePhone and some extra time it would be fun to implement the HDR+ algorithm.
      - kaba0 6y ago
        I would be really interested in something like that, but do you believe that the pinephone would be powerful enough for that?
Rebelgecko 6y ago
The camera is acceptable but not great. TBH the main thing blocking me from getting one to use as a daily driver is lack of MMS support
- SubiculumCode 6y ago
  whoah. that is kind of a big one, I agree.
  - kop316 6y ago
    Unfortunately, the issue with MMS is it is very country specific. With some of the other big ticket items, since it is universal, you have a lot of people working on it. MMS seems to be a big issue in the USA and France (and maybe couple of others? I have just noted those two so far). On top of it, it is a very complex issue. I spend as much time getting it to work as I do to try to fight misconceptions about it to try and motivate folks to want to help. Thankfully now it is more of an integration issue than it is a "does it even function" issue. But the integration issue is not trivial either.
- miguelrochefort 6y ago
  What do you use MMS for? I've never sent or received an MMS in my life.
  - kop316 6y ago
    It's very country specific. I know USA and France, this is a big thing.
  - Rebelgecko 6y ago
    The main use is for group conversations with family and friends. A close followup is for sending/receiving photos and videos from people who don't have an RCS capable device (or if it is RCS capable it doesn't play nicely with Tmobile)
  - lmm 6y ago
    I nearly wasn't able to change my phone number with Google because they send you an authentication code by MMS. (Why they feel the need to use MMS rather than SMS for a 6-digit code I couldn't possibly imagine). Not used it for over a decade aside from that - in the dim and distant past it used to be the only way to send pictures, but they were so expensive most people never bothered.
fsflover 6y ago
Librem 5 has a better camera, but it's driver is not ready yet, https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 https://puri.sm/products/librem-5.

The PinePhone camera is not good, blurry at high light, noisy at medium to low light levels. The Megapixels app is an attempt to create the best software possible for the PinePhone hardware, and looks less bad than the default camera used before.

kop316 6y ago

I don't use the camera really, but here's some pictures from the camera app dev: https://blog.brixit.nl/camera-on-the-pinephone/ https://blog.brixit.nl/camera-on-the-pinephone/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-part-2/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-part-2/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-adventures-part-3/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-adventures-part-3/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-pt4/ https://blog.brixit.nl/pinephone-camera-pt4/

1-6 6y ago
Yikes, those photos aren't so great. There's a decent amount of noise. I guess it's hard to compete at the level of some phone manufacturers. I do love the elegance of taking photos with commands: $ camera.py still rear.raw -c rear -r 1080p1 --raw --pixfmt $ bayer2rgb -i rear.raw -w 1920 -v 1080 -b 8 -f BGGR -t -o rear.tiff $ darktable rear.tiff
- MartijnBraam 6y ago
  Yeah the sensor really needs daylight to get acceptable picture quality, ideally a cloudy day because it doesn't have the latitude to deal with the highlight/shadows of direct sunlight. It might be possible to get slightly more from the sensor for static scenes using astrophotography techniques like stacking but in most cases that won't be practical.
  - kop316 6y ago
    For the record, thank you for the camera app! You do awesome work.
  - ipsum2 6y ago
    The Google Pixel camera app does stacking to decrease noise and improve dynamic range. They only apply it to areas of the image that haven't moved between frames. If I had a PinePhone and some extra time it would be fun to implement the HDR+ algorithm.
    - kaba0 6y ago
      I would be really interested in something like that, but do you believe that the pinephone would be powerful enough for that?

Rebelgecko 6y ago

The camera is acceptable but not great. TBH the main thing blocking me from getting one to use as a daily driver is lack of MMS support

SubiculumCode 6y ago
whoah. that is kind of a big one, I agree.
- kop316 6y ago
  Unfortunately, the issue with MMS is it is very country specific. With some of the other big ticket items, since it is universal, you have a lot of people working on it. MMS seems to be a big issue in the USA and France (and maybe couple of others? I have just noted those two so far). On top of it, it is a very complex issue. I spend as much time getting it to work as I do to try to fight misconceptions about it to try and motivate folks to want to help. Thankfully now it is more of an integration issue than it is a "does it even function" issue. But the integration issue is not trivial either.
miguelrochefort 6y ago
What do you use MMS for? I've never sent or received an MMS in my life.
- kop316 6y ago
  It's very country specific. I know USA and France, this is a big thing.
- Rebelgecko 6y ago
  The main use is for group conversations with family and friends. A close followup is for sending/receiving photos and videos from people who don't have an RCS capable device (or if it is RCS capable it doesn't play nicely with Tmobile)
- lmm 6y ago
  I nearly wasn't able to change my phone number with Google because they send you an authentication code by MMS. (Why they feel the need to use MMS rather than SMS for a 6-digit code I couldn't possibly imagine). Not used it for over a decade aside from that - in the dim and distant past it used to be the only way to send pictures, but they were so expensive most people never bothered.

fsflover 6y ago

Librem 5 has a better camera, but it's driver is not ready yet, https://puri.sm/products/librem-5 https://puri.sm/products/librem-5.