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> but we've also seen a lot of "journalists" throwing rocks and molotov cocktails on live stream and doing other criminal acts. I'd like to see some evidence o

> but we've also seen a lot of "journalists" throwing rocks and molotov cocktails on live stream and doing other criminal acts. I'd like to see some evidence of that happening on scale. If there is no such evidence, I think, perhaps, your comment proves the parent's point.

conductr 6y ago
Is 117 arrests “at scale”? Cause that’s what we’re talking about. Normalize that for riot conditions and it just seems likely a journalist is more likely to get hit by lightening than be arrested. Please don’t do the math on that, elaborating for emphasis.
- r00fus 6y ago
  An arrest is merely an attestation, not proof. Police will charge you for anything they want, they don't have to justify it unless you contest it.
- ska 6y ago
  Even "as scale" (whatever that means) arrests can't really be meaningful in this context. If the contention is that police are unjustly targeting journalists, arrests are one tool they can unilaterally employee. It would be interesting to see rates of arrest vs. charges files vs. convictions I suppose.
- bjourne 6y ago
  Would the same logic apply for unrest in Hong Kong and Belarus? "Ah, it's just the riots causing authorities to arrest journalists, literally nothing to see (or read) here!" :P Yes, 117 arrests is a lot.
abacadaba 6y ago
https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo he has hundreds(?) of examples if you scroll, but to save some time here's one from portland police https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1287251924421505027?s=20 https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/128725192442150502... Edit: ok searching "press" on the feed maybe like more like tens rather than hundreds with actual video evidence, but im sure i missed some
- justaman 6y ago
  Wow, downvoted hard just for bringing this information to light. This forum is going downhill and its not because of an "authoritarian" trend in this thread.
- Bodell 6y ago
  So in looking at the first link. I had a hard time finding a single example of anyone pretending to be a journalist, except maybe the owner of the twitter account. What I did find were hundreds of videos of random people getting in fights, the owner of the account talking about the fights he had also engaged in, and a lot of claims about people being part of a secret underground antifi something or other. In reality not one of the videos seemed to be depicting anyone supporting or proclaiming that they themselves were antifi (though I’m sure there are a few somewhere in there) but most especially there was no video of evidence of any of the “secret” antifi activity that the owner of the account seems to be selling in his upcoming book. As for the second post. It is indeed a person wearing a shirt that says press on it who is not a journalist. However, the given reason was “so he would not be shot by feds” which to me highlights the spirt of this conversation, that there is growing concern as well as some evidence that the country has sifted toward a more authoritarian bent. Edit: I forgot to mention that there were no rocks or molotovs being thrown in any of the videos I saw, which there were reportedly hundreds of.
  - abacadaba 6y ago
    https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327774883002998784?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327774883002998784?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298145371009380352?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298145371009380352?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296075594896039937?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296075594896039937?s=2... https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-press-throwing-objects-police https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-press-throwing-o... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296610943514812418?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296610943514812418?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300690653714591744?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300690653714591744?s=2... https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=261099 https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=26109... From above police report link: "Portland Fire & Rescue treated two Portland Police members injured by rocks thrown by individuals in the crowd. Both of them went to the hospital for further treatment. One of the rocks (pictured) weighed 9.5 pounds and was thrown by a person in group of people wearing "press" as the officer prepared to ride away on a truck. " "At about 12:36 a.m., Portland Police began moving the crowd to the west as before. This went on for about twenty minutes. Police made more arrests. During this time people in the crowd mingled with those with "press" written on their outer garments as cover and threw rocks and bottles at police. People with "press" written on their outer garments also threw objects at police. Somebody threw a rock, which broke a window in the vehicle giving public address announcements. Others pelted the same vehicle with rocks causing dents. Other vehicles were dented by thrown objects. At least one car parked along a street had windows broken out when a rock or rocks thrown at police, missed them and struck the car windows. "

conductr 6y ago

Is 117 arrests “at scale”? Cause that’s what we’re talking about. Normalize that for riot conditions and it just seems likely a journalist is more likely to get hit by lightening than be arrested. Please don’t do the math on that, elaborating for emphasis.

r00fus 6y ago
An arrest is merely an attestation, not proof. Police will charge you for anything they want, they don't have to justify it unless you contest it.
ska 6y ago
Even "as scale" (whatever that means) arrests can't really be meaningful in this context. If the contention is that police are unjustly targeting journalists, arrests are one tool they can unilaterally employee. It would be interesting to see rates of arrest vs. charges files vs. convictions I suppose.
bjourne 6y ago
Would the same logic apply for unrest in Hong Kong and Belarus? "Ah, it's just the riots causing authorities to arrest journalists, literally nothing to see (or read) here!" :P Yes, 117 arrests is a lot.

abacadaba 6y ago

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo he has hundreds(?) of examples if you scroll, but to save some time here's one from portland police https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/1287251924421505027?s=20 https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/128725192442150502... Edit: ok searching "press" on the feed maybe like more like tens rather than hundreds with actual video evidence, but im sure i missed some

justaman 6y ago
Wow, downvoted hard just for bringing this information to light. This forum is going downhill and its not because of an "authoritarian" trend in this thread.
Bodell 6y ago
So in looking at the first link. I had a hard time finding a single example of anyone pretending to be a journalist, except maybe the owner of the twitter account. What I did find were hundreds of videos of random people getting in fights, the owner of the account talking about the fights he had also engaged in, and a lot of claims about people being part of a secret underground antifi something or other. In reality not one of the videos seemed to be depicting anyone supporting or proclaiming that they themselves were antifi (though I’m sure there are a few somewhere in there) but most especially there was no video of evidence of any of the “secret” antifi activity that the owner of the account seems to be selling in his upcoming book. As for the second post. It is indeed a person wearing a shirt that says press on it who is not a journalist. However, the given reason was “so he would not be shot by feds” which to me highlights the spirt of this conversation, that there is growing concern as well as some evidence that the country has sifted toward a more authoritarian bent. Edit: I forgot to mention that there were no rocks or molotovs being thrown in any of the videos I saw, which there were reportedly hundreds of.
- abacadaba 6y ago
  https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327774883002998784?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1327774883002998784?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298145371009380352?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1298145371009380352?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296075594896039937?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296075594896039937?s=2... https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-press-throwing-objects-police https://www.foxnews.com/us/portland-protest-press-throwing-o... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296610943514812418?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1296610943514812418?s=2... https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300690653714591744?s=20 https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo/status/1300690653714591744?s=2... https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=261099 https://www.portlandoregon.gov/police/news/read.cfm?id=26109... From above police report link: "Portland Fire & Rescue treated two Portland Police members injured by rocks thrown by individuals in the crowd. Both of them went to the hospital for further treatment. One of the rocks (pictured) weighed 9.5 pounds and was thrown by a person in group of people wearing "press" as the officer prepared to ride away on a truck. " "At about 12:36 a.m., Portland Police began moving the crowd to the west as before. This went on for about twenty minutes. Police made more arrests. During this time people in the crowd mingled with those with "press" written on their outer garments as cover and threw rocks and bottles at police. People with "press" written on their outer garments also threw objects at police. Somebody threw a rock, which broke a window in the vehicle giving public address announcements. Others pelted the same vehicle with rocks causing dents. Other vehicles were dented by thrown objects. At least one car parked along a street had windows broken out when a rock or rocks thrown at police, missed them and struck the car windows. "