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"Small fries" and 24%... Anyway you're right but it's like, how would any of this concretely improve competition? In my experience, the problem is that giant c

"Small fries" and 24%... Anyway you're right but it's like, how would any of this concretely improve competition? In my experience, the problem is that giant companies steal your stuff, whether it's your code or your users, and that even when you want to enforce something like that, they can afford better lawyers than you. Like nobody here is working on social networks, cellphones or web browsers. I bet you interact with IP law almost every single day though, and a lot of truly disruptive things have termination conditions like, "And then a giant company sues you for IP violations and you go bankrupt, even if you're in the right." Maybe this benefits giant European tech companies, but it certainly doesn't benefit competition.

avianlyric 6y ago
> "Small fries" and 24%... Everythings relative. You've got to start somewhere. > Anyway you're right but it's like, how would any of this concretely improve competition? I don't think this is just about competition. There has to be a recognition that social networks etc are natural monopolies, it's very hard to have competition there. Regardless of HNs utopian view of open protocols and distributed and federated social networks, the reality is that it's just not gonna happen. So a I feel a big part of these laws isn't about creating competition, it's about making sure that mega-corporations like Facebook can't amase more power than democratically elected governments. These law make it clear that if you get to big, the EU will step in and make sure you're operating in line with their ideals, not the other way around.
- alacombe 6y ago
  > it's about making sure that mega-corporations like Facebook can't amase more power than democratically elected governments It's about the resentment of not having European GAFA and wanting to "milk the cash cow" with bs. regulations.
dcolkitt 6y ago
> And then a giant company sues you for IP violations and you go bankrupt Is this an issue with the FAANG giants? My sense is initiating IP litigation is more the province of legacy tech companies like IBM and Oracle. (Who aren’t being targeted by these EU laws) I’ve seen very little examples of Apple, Google, or Amazon initiating patent lawsuits. Especially against small players. If anything most of their lobbying and litigation seems to aim to weaken IP law. (E.g. Google v. Oracle)
- judge2020 6y ago
  They like the current IP law landscape almost solely because it's the monster they know rather than the monster they don't. Moving the needle to either of the extremes (more ip control vs less) would have some positives but a load of unknown negatives.
- fn1 6y ago
  Also software is not patentable in the EU.
- znpy 6y ago
  > My sense is initiating IP litigation is more the province of legacy tech companies like IBM and Oracle. «Apple Sues Small Business With Pear Logo Because 'People Can Get Confused'» -- https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354644 https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354644
woah 6y ago
They steal "your" users???
- bigbubba 6y ago
  See also the term 'poaching', which implies ownership of employees.

avianlyric 6y ago

> "Small fries" and 24%... Everythings relative. You've got to start somewhere. > Anyway you're right but it's like, how would any of this concretely improve competition? I don't think this is just about competition. There has to be a recognition that social networks etc are natural monopolies, it's very hard to have competition there. Regardless of HNs utopian view of open protocols and distributed and federated social networks, the reality is that it's just not gonna happen. So a I feel a big part of these laws isn't about creating competition, it's about making sure that mega-corporations like Facebook can't amase more power than democratically elected governments. These law make it clear that if you get to big, the EU will step in and make sure you're operating in line with their ideals, not the other way around.

alacombe 6y ago
> it's about making sure that mega-corporations like Facebook can't amase more power than democratically elected governments It's about the resentment of not having European GAFA and wanting to "milk the cash cow" with bs. regulations.

dcolkitt 6y ago

> And then a giant company sues you for IP violations and you go bankrupt Is this an issue with the FAANG giants? My sense is initiating IP litigation is more the province of legacy tech companies like IBM and Oracle. (Who aren’t being targeted by these EU laws) I’ve seen very little examples of Apple, Google, or Amazon initiating patent lawsuits. Especially against small players. If anything most of their lobbying and litigation seems to aim to weaken IP law. (E.g. Google v. Oracle)

judge2020 6y ago
They like the current IP law landscape almost solely because it's the monster they know rather than the monster they don't. Moving the needle to either of the extremes (more ip control vs less) would have some positives but a load of unknown negatives.
fn1 6y ago
Also software is not patentable in the EU.
znpy 6y ago
> My sense is initiating IP litigation is more the province of legacy tech companies like IBM and Oracle. «Apple Sues Small Business With Pear Logo Because 'People Can Get Confused'» -- https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354644 https://www.entrepreneur.com/article/354644

woah 6y ago

They steal "your" users???

bigbubba 6y ago
See also the term 'poaching', which implies ownership of employees.