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I don't know about the US, but here in Canada not following police orders is not by itself grounds for arrest. It has to be a lawful order, not whatever the pol

I don't know about the US, but here in Canada not following police orders is not by itself grounds for arrest. It has to be a lawful order, not whatever the police fancies at the moment. The police cannot for example say "stop filming or I will arrest you" and be able to legally justify that arrest in the court of law. https://globalnews.ca/news/6233399/supreme-court-montreal-escalator-handrail-ruling/ https://globalnews.ca/news/6233399/supreme-court-montreal-es...

lawnchair_larry 6y ago
It was a dispersal order to leave a riot so the crowd can be controlled, not an order to stop filming. There’s no other legal and humane way to deal with rioters amongst a crowd. Even if you aren’t being violent or breaking anything, you have to leave when told to do so.
- pas 6y ago
  Let me copy my comment here too - sorry for the spam. "In the video the police had control. There was absolutely zero need to escalate. They were trying to punish and intimidate the crowd instead of trying to disperse or control it. That should cost the commanding officer's job." The professional way is to identify the instigators/leaders in the crowd and extract them one by one. Also to constantly move the crowd street by street - toward less narrow places. > You have to leave when told to do so. And if you don't they might arrest you. Standing there is no cause for smashing faces. They can simply grab the closest persons to the police line, bring them behind the line, arrest them. No need to lash out. This gets the message across. If the crowd starts to escalate, sure, water jets. But even that's usually completely unnecessary. Just pick up the trouble makers one-by-one, usually that means less than a dozen people. Because if there really is an organized fanatical crowd then the police would likely withdraw, like they did in Seattle "zone".
jakelazaroff 6y ago
It's not, which is why you see people arrested this way getting released without charges. It's an intimidation tactic, and the officers face zero consequences for employing it. "You may beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride" and all that.
- smnrchrds 6y ago
  Toronto police did very similar things during the 2010 G20 Toronto summit protests. Then chief of Toronto Police is now a cabinet minister. I don't want to insinuate that this kind of behaviour does not happen in Canada. It certainly does, but it doesn't make it right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX0BbLc_PIk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX0BbLc_PIk
pnw_hazor 6y ago
Same in the US. But, people are required to obey police commands, unlawful or not, and then seek remedy from the courts afterwards. And, there is usually a narrow self-defense exception. One can lawfully resist if the police are unlawfully trying to kill you.
- pas 6y ago
  In the video the police had control. There was absolutely zero need to escalate. They were trying to punish and intimidate the crowd instead of trying to disperse or control it. That should cost the commanding officer's job.

lawnchair_larry 6y ago

It was a dispersal order to leave a riot so the crowd can be controlled, not an order to stop filming. There’s no other legal and humane way to deal with rioters amongst a crowd. Even if you aren’t being violent or breaking anything, you have to leave when told to do so.

pas 6y ago
Let me copy my comment here too - sorry for the spam. "In the video the police had control. There was absolutely zero need to escalate. They were trying to punish and intimidate the crowd instead of trying to disperse or control it. That should cost the commanding officer's job." The professional way is to identify the instigators/leaders in the crowd and extract them one by one. Also to constantly move the crowd street by street - toward less narrow places. > You have to leave when told to do so. And if you don't they might arrest you. Standing there is no cause for smashing faces. They can simply grab the closest persons to the police line, bring them behind the line, arrest them. No need to lash out. This gets the message across. If the crowd starts to escalate, sure, water jets. But even that's usually completely unnecessary. Just pick up the trouble makers one-by-one, usually that means less than a dozen people. Because if there really is an organized fanatical crowd then the police would likely withdraw, like they did in Seattle "zone".

jakelazaroff 6y ago

It's not, which is why you see people arrested this way getting released without charges. It's an intimidation tactic, and the officers face zero consequences for employing it. "You may beat the rap, but you can't beat the ride" and all that.

smnrchrds 6y ago
Toronto police did very similar things during the 2010 G20 Toronto summit protests. Then chief of Toronto Police is now a cabinet minister. I don't want to insinuate that this kind of behaviour does not happen in Canada. It certainly does, but it doesn't make it right. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX0BbLc_PIk https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sX0BbLc_PIk

pnw_hazor 6y ago

Same in the US. But, people are required to obey police commands, unlawful or not, and then seek remedy from the courts afterwards. And, there is usually a narrow self-defense exception. One can lawfully resist if the police are unlawfully trying to kill you.

pas 6y ago
In the video the police had control. There was absolutely zero need to escalate. They were trying to punish and intimidate the crowd instead of trying to disperse or control it. That should cost the commanding officer's job.