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>"this site will only cover individuals who self-identify as journalists and have some track record of journalistic work" They're saying that they use journali
by nickff 6y ago
>"this site will only cover individuals who self-identify as journalists and have some track record of journalistic work"
They're saying that they use journalistic work as a standard of who's a journalist... that's circular.
- iNate2000 6y agoHow else would you define who is a journalist? How can one be a journalist without doing journalistic work? Are you looking for a definition of "journalism"?
- Bjartr 6y agoWhere "journalistic work" means "has published an article or video that at least purports to be reporting facts, or something equivalent to that". If you claim to be a journalist, but can't point to something you've published, then you're not included. If you claim to be a journalist, and can go "here's three articles I published in a local newspaper (for example)", then you're included.
- chrisseaton 6y agoSo how can you be a journalist in order to write your first articles if you're not allowed to be a journalist until you've written your first articles?
- joshuamorton 6y agoThe point is that this particular site, which reports on police violence against journalists, is being somewhat conservative in how they define journalist. That seems fine.
- tines 6y ago> be a journalist in order to write your first articles Says who? Writing an article is what makes you a journalist. You don't need to be a journalist to write. This whole "the definition is circular" argument is bizarre, it's like something from Zeno trying to prove that movement is impossible because first you have to move. "So how can you be a mover in order to make your first movements if you're not allowed to be a mover until you've made your first movements?"
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- tines 6y agoNot at all. That's like saying that "a boxer is someone who does boxing" is circular. It's only circular if you define boxing as "that which is done by a boxer", instead of "striking an opponent with such-and-such ruleset, this equipment, etc. in an event sanctioned by such-and-such organization."