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>" so would only come into force after the Brexit transition period has ended." Well so this isn't going to do anything for 40 years. > "Furthermore, the law

by hpoe 6y ago

>" so would only come into force after the Brexit transition period has ended." Well so this isn't going to do anything for 40 years. > "Furthermore, the law specifies that local officials can send cross-border orders to make tech firms remove content or provide access to information, wherever their EU headquarter is based." I feel that this is very open to abuse especially with this example provided >"A commission spokesman gave the example of Amsterdam's local government being able to ask a service like Airbnb, which is based in Dublin, to remove a listing of a non-registered apartment and share details about a host suspected of not paying taxes." I get the feeling although this law started with the right idea it is being used as an excuse for law enforcement to expand their reach, without actually helping people.

ben_w 6y ago
I don’t see why that Airbnb example is problematic — enforcement of local laws using information not stored locally. The other option is requiring data to be stored within whichever jurisdiction the data concerns, which could be done but seems contrary to the point of the single market (not a huge difficulty if they can afford local translators and content moderators, but still against the point of the single market). Can you give a better example of how this could be abused?
- xwdv 6y ago
  Raiding the illegal AirBNB and throwing the guests, often foreign, in prison and forcing them to pay huge fines to collect revenue.
  - avianlyric 6y ago
    What exactly would the guests be guilty of? This is EU we're talking about, we do actually have due process here.
  - TruthHurts44 6y ago
    And if they don't have the money to pay the fines we can keep them in a work camp... I hope you are joking about this.
foota 6y ago
That part's not about law enforcement, especially given the example it's probably about Ireland's use as a tax haven.
avianlyric 6y ago
>> " so would only come into force after the Brexit transition period has ended." > Well so this isn't going to do anything for 40 years. I wish, but it's pretty clear the brexit transition period is ending 17 days whether the UK is ready or (more likely) not. > I feel that this is very open to abuse especially with this example provided Not sure how else you could manage this. If you don't put this stipulation you'll end up with the privacy equivalent of the double-Irish. Where a smaller EU country either writes the weakest version of the law they can get away with, or just turns a blind eye to abuse, and uses that to attract companies like Facebook to move their "HQ" there. > I get the feeling although this law started with the right idea it is being used as an excuse for law enforcement to expand their reach, without actually helping people. Not sure how this is an example of a regulator expanding their reach. If a regulator has the authority to regulate the housing in a city, why should they not be able to force companies that help people actively flout their regulation to turn over details on those flouters. In the EU there's a cross-border agreement to help police identify car owners for speeding tickets etc. Is that also an over reach?

by hpoe 6y ago

ben_w 6y ago

I don’t see why that Airbnb example is problematic — enforcement of local laws using information not stored locally. The other option is requiring data to be stored within whichever jurisdiction the data concerns, which could be done but seems contrary to the point of the single market (not a huge difficulty if they can afford local translators and content moderators, but still against the point of the single market). Can you give a better example of how this could be abused?

xwdv 6y ago
Raiding the illegal AirBNB and throwing the guests, often foreign, in prison and forcing them to pay huge fines to collect revenue.
- avianlyric 6y ago
  What exactly would the guests be guilty of? This is EU we're talking about, we do actually have due process here.
- TruthHurts44 6y ago
  And if they don't have the money to pay the fines we can keep them in a work camp... I hope you are joking about this.

foota 6y ago

That part's not about law enforcement, especially given the example it's probably about Ireland's use as a tax haven.

avianlyric 6y ago

>> " so would only come into force after the Brexit transition period has ended." > Well so this isn't going to do anything for 40 years. I wish, but it's pretty clear the brexit transition period is ending 17 days whether the UK is ready or (more likely) not. > I feel that this is very open to abuse especially with this example provided Not sure how else you could manage this. If you don't put this stipulation you'll end up with the privacy equivalent of the double-Irish. Where a smaller EU country either writes the weakest version of the law they can get away with, or just turns a blind eye to abuse, and uses that to attract companies like Facebook to move their "HQ" there. > I get the feeling although this law started with the right idea it is being used as an excuse for law enforcement to expand their reach, without actually helping people. Not sure how this is an example of a regulator expanding their reach. If a regulator has the authority to regulate the housing in a city, why should they not be able to force companies that help people actively flout their regulation to turn over details on those flouters. In the EU there's a cross-border agreement to help police identify car owners for speeding tickets etc. Is that also an over reach?