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Not hard to be the most privacy focused big company when the competition Google , Facebook or Amazon... I don't understand why we should always have good guys

Not hard to be the most privacy focused big company when the competition Google , Facebook or Amazon... I don't understand why we should always have good guys and bad guys and we can't accept that none of those company respect us. Nothing will change if we relay Apple's propaganda about privacy. People will think that the solution is already there and it's Apple. And it's not. Apple has catastrophic Privacy, just a bit less catastrophic than Google but that's it. They don't even encrypt your cloud, how's that remotely close to "privacy focused company"

shawnz 6y ago
Agreed, we should be careful not to champion them as the saviours of consumer privacy just because they have lately been marketing themselves as an improvement over Google and Microsoft.
- HatchedLake721 6y ago
  They haven't just "lately been marketing themselves as an improvement over Google and Microsoft". Anyone aware of Apple's history knows that Apple has always pushed consumer privacy forward, forcing others in the industry to follow. I don't know any other consumer electronics company other than Apple that has been championing consumer privacy so much over the last 12-15 years. If you learned about Apple's stance on privacy only in their recent marketing, that doesn't mean they haven't been doing it before.
  - shawnz 6y ago
    What are they doing that other vendors aren't? From what I can tell their privacy-forward marketing began with the rollout of the Secure Enclave in the 5S, but Android vendors were already using hardware key stores and full disk encryption at that time. I will admit that this action to change the advertising ID to default-off is a promising one though.
    - HatchedLake721 6y ago
      This is a good overview from last week what they've done so far (where others had to follow) and what they're doing next https://youtu.be/08IC1AZTxls?t=2941 https://youtu.be/08IC1AZTxls?t=2941
amrangaye 6y ago
“Catastrophic privacy” is quite a huge claim - do you have any actual examples? My perspective is that iphone privacy protections have actually gotten better and more sophisticated over time, and I’m much more comfortable having older non-techie relatives on iOS for that reason. When it comes to providing them tech support ios has always been less finicky than android.
- rndgermandude 6y ago
  >Identifier for Advertisers (IDFA) on iPhones Nuff said.
  - leereeves 6y ago
    Identifier for Advertisers was opt-out, and will soon be opt-in [1], so that seems like an example of Apple's privacy protections getting better over time. 1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/09/03/idfa-stay-of-execution-apple-delays-new-ios-14-privacy-measures-until-2021/?sh=513348ca569f https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/09/03/idfa-st...
    - rndgermandude 6y ago
      Yes, but "better" is a qualitative term not a quantitative. That this thing even exists in the first place and was either mandatory or opt-out is still concerning to me. This change moved Apple a little closer to the "good guys" column, but not really into it.
      - leereeves 6y ago
        If by "good guys" you mean champions of privacy, I don't think Apple will ever be that. They're a giant business and that means they're primarily motivated by profit. It's up to the people to be the champions of privacy and help Apple realize that our interests (privacy) are aligned with their interests (profit). (And I say this as someone who's rather anti-Apple for other reasons. Life is complicated and full of compromises.)
  - 6y ago

shawnz 6y ago

Agreed, we should be careful not to champion them as the saviours of consumer privacy just because they have lately been marketing themselves as an improvement over Google and Microsoft.

HatchedLake721 6y ago
They haven't just "lately been marketing themselves as an improvement over Google and Microsoft". Anyone aware of Apple's history knows that Apple has always pushed consumer privacy forward, forcing others in the industry to follow. I don't know any other consumer electronics company other than Apple that has been championing consumer privacy so much over the last 12-15 years. If you learned about Apple's stance on privacy only in their recent marketing, that doesn't mean they haven't been doing it before.
- shawnz 6y ago
  What are they doing that other vendors aren't? From what I can tell their privacy-forward marketing began with the rollout of the Secure Enclave in the 5S, but Android vendors were already using hardware key stores and full disk encryption at that time. I will admit that this action to change the advertising ID to default-off is a promising one though.
  - HatchedLake721 6y ago
    This is a good overview from last week what they've done so far (where others had to follow) and what they're doing next https://youtu.be/08IC1AZTxls?t=2941 https://youtu.be/08IC1AZTxls?t=2941

amrangaye 6y ago

“Catastrophic privacy” is quite a huge claim - do you have any actual examples? My perspective is that iphone privacy protections have actually gotten better and more sophisticated over time, and I’m much more comfortable having older non-techie relatives on iOS for that reason. When it comes to providing them tech support ios has always been less finicky than android.

rndgermandude 6y ago
>Identifier for Advertisers (IDFA) on iPhones Nuff said.
- leereeves 6y ago
  Identifier for Advertisers was opt-out, and will soon be opt-in [1], so that seems like an example of Apple's privacy protections getting better over time. 1: https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/09/03/idfa-stay-of-execution-apple-delays-new-ios-14-privacy-measures-until-2021/?sh=513348ca569f https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/09/03/idfa-st...
  - rndgermandude 6y ago
    Yes, but "better" is a qualitative term not a quantitative. That this thing even exists in the first place and was either mandatory or opt-out is still concerning to me. This change moved Apple a little closer to the "good guys" column, but not really into it.
    - leereeves 6y ago
      If by "good guys" you mean champions of privacy, I don't think Apple will ever be that. They're a giant business and that means they're primarily motivated by profit. It's up to the people to be the champions of privacy and help Apple realize that our interests (privacy) are aligned with their interests (profit). (And I say this as someone who's rather anti-Apple for other reasons. Life is complicated and full of compromises.)
- 6y ago