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I'd rather be able to choose my own poison. Just because you care about your online data, it doesn't mean everyone does or should. With the way I use online p

I'd rather be able to choose my own poison. Just because you care about your online data, it doesn't mean everyone does or should. With the way I use online platforms, the data online giants get from me is mostly useless.

StavrosK 6y ago
"I don't need a good thing, therefore it's bad."
- jokethrowaway 6y ago
  The reason I consider it bad is because it introduces a mandatory middleman between two consentient business parts. Just because people don't read contracts, it doesn't mean a nanny state should force companies to behave in a certain way. People can just not use those services or learn to read
  - StavrosK 6y ago
    Agreed, consumer protection laws are overreach, they should just make better people. Why didn't we think of that!
  - ben_w 6y ago
    Learn to read legalese? Unlike most people I’m comfortable actually reading contacts, but I’m self-aware enough to know that I probably misunderstand those contracts without even being able to identify which parts I am wrong about. The reason is simple symmetry: most people without computer science degrees make basic mistakes about computers, and I don’t have a law degree.
    - soco 6y ago
      Huge legal departments fight for years with each other representing every other huge company. So it's not like a law degree solves problems (and some could argue a law degree helps create new sorts of problems)
      - ben_w 6y ago
        Well yes, but to compare law degrees and computer science degrees: if a big legal battle is corporate pen-testers trying to hack an internal team’s security, my legal knowledge is someone who knows that CDs are different from USB sticks but can’t tell the difference between CDs and DVDs. To put it another way: imagine all you knew about computers came from watching films and CSI? That’s basically where I’m at with law.
  - 8note 6y ago
    Yeah, companies should be allowed to do anything they want. Walmart should be able to control all the roads going in and out of a town, denying all non Walmart groceries, then require residents to submit their nudes in order to shop at Walmart. It's all consentual because Walmart can get a contract, and no nanny state should be able to stop them.
M2Ys4U 6y ago
The GDPR isn't an "online" law. It applies to processing personal data whether it's online or stored on scraps of paper in a filing cabinet.
- BlueTemplar 6y ago
  I was wondering about that... Does it also take into account a small business phone book (which might be stored with personal contacts on a smartphone - oops!). More whimsically, what if my store has a parrot that remembers customer names?
  - M2Ys4U 6y ago
    >Does it also take into account a small business phone book (which might be stored with personal contacts on a smartphone - oops!) Yup, the GDPR covers those business contacts, to the extent that the contacts are named individuals rather than corporate ones (i.e. the contact stored is joe.bloggs@example.net rather than sales@example.org). There are clearly legitimate interests in doing so, though, so processing those data in that way should be permitted.
ginko 6y ago
> I'd rather be able to choose my own poison. And you are. :) You're free to opt-in to all user tracking.

StavrosK 6y ago

"I don't need a good thing, therefore it's bad."

jokethrowaway 6y ago
The reason I consider it bad is because it introduces a mandatory middleman between two consentient business parts. Just because people don't read contracts, it doesn't mean a nanny state should force companies to behave in a certain way. People can just not use those services or learn to read
- StavrosK 6y ago
  Agreed, consumer protection laws are overreach, they should just make better people. Why didn't we think of that!
- ben_w 6y ago
  Learn to read legalese? Unlike most people I’m comfortable actually reading contacts, but I’m self-aware enough to know that I probably misunderstand those contracts without even being able to identify which parts I am wrong about. The reason is simple symmetry: most people without computer science degrees make basic mistakes about computers, and I don’t have a law degree.
  - soco 6y ago
    Huge legal departments fight for years with each other representing every other huge company. So it's not like a law degree solves problems (and some could argue a law degree helps create new sorts of problems)
    - ben_w 6y ago
      Well yes, but to compare law degrees and computer science degrees: if a big legal battle is corporate pen-testers trying to hack an internal team’s security, my legal knowledge is someone who knows that CDs are different from USB sticks but can’t tell the difference between CDs and DVDs. To put it another way: imagine all you knew about computers came from watching films and CSI? That’s basically where I’m at with law.
- 8note 6y ago
  Yeah, companies should be allowed to do anything they want. Walmart should be able to control all the roads going in and out of a town, denying all non Walmart groceries, then require residents to submit their nudes in order to shop at Walmart. It's all consentual because Walmart can get a contract, and no nanny state should be able to stop them.

M2Ys4U 6y ago

The GDPR isn't an "online" law. It applies to processing personal data whether it's online or stored on scraps of paper in a filing cabinet.

BlueTemplar 6y ago
I was wondering about that... Does it also take into account a small business phone book (which might be stored with personal contacts on a smartphone - oops!). More whimsically, what if my store has a parrot that remembers customer names?
- M2Ys4U 6y ago
  >Does it also take into account a small business phone book (which might be stored with personal contacts on a smartphone - oops!) Yup, the GDPR covers those business contacts, to the extent that the contacts are named individuals rather than corporate ones (i.e. the contact stored is joe.bloggs@example.net rather than sales@example.org). There are clearly legitimate interests in doing so, though, so processing those data in that way should be permitted.

ginko 6y ago

> I'd rather be able to choose my own poison. And you are. :) You're free to opt-in to all user tracking.