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My ISP uses GPON FTTH and anticipates you to use their all-in-one box they provide. You can "easily" replace the Freebox, provided you can: A) find the necess

My ISP uses GPON FTTH and anticipates you to use their all-in-one box they provide. You can "easily" replace the Freebox, provided you can: A) find the necessary ipip6 configuration for your region B) you don't mind losing VOIP and IPTV It should even be possible to retain IPTV if you route the correct VLAN to their set-top box, but I didn't care enough to go through that. The amazing part to me is that (IMO) they are selling you a more expensive monthly subscription to get an all-in-one box with a less terrible WiFi implementation. [1] The standard WiFi experience with their lower-tier all-in-one is terribad, which could easily be solved by buying a WiFi AP and plugging it into their box via Ethernet. German ISPs do the same thing, by offering you the choice of a basic router or a Fritz!Box for a higher fee. In every instance I have seen, you're better off selecting the cheapest device your ISP will provide, putting it into bridge mode, and using your own router/AP via Ethernet. [1] https://www.free.fr/freebox/ https://www.free.fr/freebox/

milankragujevic 6y ago
But where do you plug in the fiber? Where does one even get GPON CPE on the market? And how do you clone the serial number of the ONU?
- kogepathic 6y ago
  The ISP provides a Fiber 10G-EPON ONU which plugs into their all-in-one. [1] It is my understanding that subscribers with a Freebox Delta only receive this, since the Delta is SFP+ capable. Since I have the older Freebox Revolution the ISP provided me a media converter which accepts the ONU and provides a normal SFP port which can be plugged into a normal device with an SFP port. [2] Then, you just have to configure the ipip tunnel on your device and you're online. [1] https://lafibre.info/images/pon/201012_SFP_Free_FTTH_10G-EPON_RTXM166-401.pdf https://lafibre.info/images/pon/201012_SFP_Free_FTTH_10G-EPO... [2] https://lafibre.info/gpon/olt-sfp-possible-revolution/msg433680/#msg433680 https://lafibre.info/gpon/olt-sfp-possible-revolution/msg433...
  - milankragujevic 6y ago
    That is not a common scenario, most people in the world get an ONT with an integrated ONU. For example Huawei HG8245Q2. So in your case obviously you can just plug in any router. But a lot of people get it all in one device. And most ISPs don't let you choose what CPE you get.
    - msh 6y ago
      Do you have data to support that statement?
      - milankragujevic 6y ago
        Yes, in fact I do! My whole country! (and other countries on the Balkans, it's all Huawei all-in-one GPON CPE everywhere!)
        msh 6y ago
        That's hardly data to talk about most people in the world.
        milankragujevic 6y ago
        I'm sorry if I said something controversial, I can take a look and send you relevant info, but for now please take a look at: Telekom Srbija (Serbia) SBB (Serbia) Orion telekom (Serbia) Supernova (Serbia) A1 Slovenia Telekom Slovenije (Slovenia) Telemach (Slovenia) A1 HR (Croatia) Telemach (Croatia) T-Com (Croatia) Iskon (Croatia) Telekom Srpske (Bosnia and Herzegovina) Telemach (Bosnia and Herzegovina) Triontel (Bosnia and Herzegovina) Mtel (Montenegro) T-Com (Montenegro) T-Com (North Macedonia) A1 (North Macedonia) ... and similar in Bulgaria On all relevant websites, you cannot find info on BYO, and I can personally guarantee you cannot use your device on GPON or DOCSIS networks. Only Romania is an exception.
- xoa 6y ago
  >Where does one even get GPON CPE on the market? Plenty of places, and it can be fairly cheap. Here's Ubiquiti's selection for example [0], the basic one is $45-50 [1] (and less in quantity). I don't recommend Ubiquiti stuff much anymore because the company has gone to shit overall sadly, but for specific dedicated application stuff they're still a worthwhile data point. GPON into an SFP is interesting too. >And how do you clone the serial number of the ONU? Actually getting support from the ISP for your own CPE would often be the stickier wicket I suspect. My fiber comes from a nice local ISP I've worked with for 20+ years now, I can get right to senior techs and they're happy to do whatever, and indeed are happy to use me as a guinea pig for trying out equipment. Getting the right OLT profile and auth info was just a matter of contacting them. Of course for that very reason it's less important since they're not messing with anyone's stuff anyway. Maybe the kind of ISP you'd most want your own full stack for in most instances is also the kind that'd make it harder/refuse? Though sometimes I've been surprised and with dedication/effort one can slip through the cracks or find an SMB angle. ---- 0: https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=gpon&q=gpon https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=gpon&q=gpon* 1: https://www.balticnetworks.com/ubiquiti-ufiber-loco-high-performance-gpon-cpe https://www.balticnetworks.com/ubiquiti-ufiber-loco-high-per...
  - milankragujevic 6y ago
    Yes, my point was that you cannot "just" use your own equipment. There are many hoops to jump through. Also, most widely sold Unifi equipment is expensive, cheaper devices are very rare to find in limited markets. I would not consider this available if I have to order it from another country and pay customs + wait weeks for delivery. And again, the equipment has to be whitelisted by the OLT and most ISPs don't want to that. And cloning the S/N is difficult/impossible. I think we have two different kinds of ISPs in mind. I'm talking about mass-market monopolies, and you're talking about "artisanal" small ISPs where you can walk into the CEOs office and pass a rack of routers on the way there.
    - msh 6y ago
      ERx is pretty cheap, actually cheaper than the tplink router I used before. My isp is the former telecommunications monopoly in my country, not a artisinal isp and they still allow using your own cpe.
kuschku 6y ago
> German ISPs do the same thing, by offering you the choice of a basic router or a Fritz!Box for a higher fee. In every instance I have seen, you're better off selecting the cheapest device your ISP will provide, putting it into bridge mode, and using your own router/AP via Ethernet. That's true, but pretty much everyone chooses the Fritz!Box, cause they're just that great for the price. Easy to use, lots of functionality, and actually really great performance. For a home router, at least.

milankragujevic 6y ago

But where do you plug in the fiber? Where does one even get GPON CPE on the market? And how do you clone the serial number of the ONU?

kogepathic 6y ago
The ISP provides a Fiber 10G-EPON ONU which plugs into their all-in-one. [1] It is my understanding that subscribers with a Freebox Delta only receive this, since the Delta is SFP+ capable. Since I have the older Freebox Revolution the ISP provided me a media converter which accepts the ONU and provides a normal SFP port which can be plugged into a normal device with an SFP port. [2] Then, you just have to configure the ipip tunnel on your device and you're online. [1] https://lafibre.info/images/pon/201012_SFP_Free_FTTH_10G-EPON_RTXM166-401.pdf https://lafibre.info/images/pon/201012_SFP_Free_FTTH_10G-EPO... [2] https://lafibre.info/gpon/olt-sfp-possible-revolution/msg433680/#msg433680 https://lafibre.info/gpon/olt-sfp-possible-revolution/msg433...
- milankragujevic 6y ago
  That is not a common scenario, most people in the world get an ONT with an integrated ONU. For example Huawei HG8245Q2. So in your case obviously you can just plug in any router. But a lot of people get it all in one device. And most ISPs don't let you choose what CPE you get.
  - msh 6y ago
    Do you have data to support that statement?
    - milankragujevic 6y ago
      Yes, in fact I do! My whole country! (and other countries on the Balkans, it's all Huawei all-in-one GPON CPE everywhere!)
      - msh 6y ago
        That's hardly data to talk about most people in the world.
        milankragujevic 6y ago
        I'm sorry if I said something controversial, I can take a look and send you relevant info, but for now please take a look at: Telekom Srbija (Serbia) SBB (Serbia) Orion telekom (Serbia) Supernova (Serbia) A1 Slovenia Telekom Slovenije (Slovenia) Telemach (Slovenia) A1 HR (Croatia) Telemach (Croatia) T-Com (Croatia) Iskon (Croatia) Telekom Srpske (Bosnia and Herzegovina) Telemach (Bosnia and Herzegovina) Triontel (Bosnia and Herzegovina) Mtel (Montenegro) T-Com (Montenegro) T-Com (North Macedonia) A1 (North Macedonia) ... and similar in Bulgaria On all relevant websites, you cannot find info on BYO, and I can personally guarantee you cannot use your device on GPON or DOCSIS networks. Only Romania is an exception.
xoa 6y ago
>Where does one even get GPON CPE on the market? Plenty of places, and it can be fairly cheap. Here's Ubiquiti's selection for example [0], the basic one is $45-50 [1] (and less in quantity). I don't recommend Ubiquiti stuff much anymore because the company has gone to shit overall sadly, but for specific dedicated application stuff they're still a worthwhile data point. GPON into an SFP is interesting too. >And how do you clone the serial number of the ONU? Actually getting support from the ISP for your own CPE would often be the stickier wicket I suspect. My fiber comes from a nice local ISP I've worked with for 20+ years now, I can get right to senior techs and they're happy to do whatever, and indeed are happy to use me as a guinea pig for trying out equipment. Getting the right OLT profile and auth info was just a matter of contacting them. Of course for that very reason it's less important since they're not messing with anyone's stuff anyway. Maybe the kind of ISP you'd most want your own full stack for in most instances is also the kind that'd make it harder/refuse? Though sometimes I've been surprised and with dedication/effort one can slip through the cracks or find an SMB angle. ---- 0: https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=gpon&q=gpon https://store.ui.com/search?mockup=gpon&q=gpon* 1: https://www.balticnetworks.com/ubiquiti-ufiber-loco-high-performance-gpon-cpe https://www.balticnetworks.com/ubiquiti-ufiber-loco-high-per...
- milankragujevic 6y ago
  Yes, my point was that you cannot "just" use your own equipment. There are many hoops to jump through. Also, most widely sold Unifi equipment is expensive, cheaper devices are very rare to find in limited markets. I would not consider this available if I have to order it from another country and pay customs + wait weeks for delivery. And again, the equipment has to be whitelisted by the OLT and most ISPs don't want to that. And cloning the S/N is difficult/impossible. I think we have two different kinds of ISPs in mind. I'm talking about mass-market monopolies, and you're talking about "artisanal" small ISPs where you can walk into the CEOs office and pass a rack of routers on the way there.
  - msh 6y ago
    ERx is pretty cheap, actually cheaper than the tplink router I used before. My isp is the former telecommunications monopoly in my country, not a artisinal isp and they still allow using your own cpe.

kuschku 6y ago

> German ISPs do the same thing, by offering you the choice of a basic router or a Fritz!Box for a higher fee. In every instance I have seen, you're better off selecting the cheapest device your ISP will provide, putting it into bridge mode, and using your own router/AP via Ethernet. That's true, but pretty much everyone chooses the Fritz!Box, cause they're just that great for the price. Easy to use, lots of functionality, and actually really great performance. For a home router, at least.