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I have GPON fiber, to which the ISP supplies a fiber converter that puts out ethernet. I am supposed to attach my ISP router to that but there is no issue in re

by msh 6y ago

I have GPON fiber, to which the ISP supplies a fiber converter that puts out ethernet. I am supposed to attach my ISP router to that but there is no issue in replacing that with my own router configured to the right VLAN.

milankragujevic 6y ago
That is uncommon, usually users get a single device that does it all and cannot easily replace the all-in-one with a media converter or single-port ONT.
- kogepathic 6y ago
  My ISP uses GPON FTTH and anticipates you to use their all-in-one box they provide. You can "easily" replace the Freebox, provided you can: A) find the necessary ipip6 configuration for your region B) you don't mind losing VOIP and IPTV It should even be possible to retain IPTV if you route the correct VLAN to their set-top box, but I didn't care enough to go through that. The amazing part to me is that (IMO) they are selling you a more expensive monthly subscription to get an all-in-one box with a less terrible WiFi implementation. [1] The standard WiFi experience with their lower-tier all-in-one is terribad, which could easily be solved by buying a WiFi AP and plugging it into their box via Ethernet. German ISPs do the same thing, by offering you the choice of a basic router or a Fritz!Box for a higher fee. In every instance I have seen, you're better off selecting the cheapest device your ISP will provide, putting it into bridge mode, and using your own router/AP via Ethernet. [1] https://www.free.fr/freebox/ https://www.free.fr/freebox/
  - milankragujevic 6y ago
    But where do you plug in the fiber? Where does one even get GPON CPE on the market? And how do you clone the serial number of the ONU?
    - kogepathic 6y ago
      The ISP provides a Fiber 10G-EPON ONU which plugs into their all-in-one. [1] It is my understanding that subscribers with a Freebox Delta only receive this, since the Delta is SFP+ capable. Since I have the older Freebox Revolution the ISP provided me a media converter which accepts the ONU and provides a normal SFP port which can be plugged into a normal device with an SFP port. [2] Then, you just have to configure the ipip tunnel on your device and you're online. [1] https://lafibre.info/images/pon/201012_SFP_Free_FTTH_10G-EPON_RTXM166-401.pdf https://lafibre.info/images/pon/201012_SFP_Free_FTTH_10G-EPO... [2] https://lafibre.info/gpon/olt-sfp-possible-revolution/msg433680/#msg433680 https://lafibre.info/gpon/olt-sfp-possible-revolution/msg433...
      - milankragujevic 6y ago
        That is not a common scenario, most people in the world get an ONT with an integrated ONU. For example Huawei HG8245Q2. So in your case obviously you can just plug in any router. But a lot of people get it all in one device. And most ISPs don't let you choose what CPE you get.
        msh 6y ago
        Do you have data to support that statement?
        milankragujevic 6y ago
        Yes, in fact I do! My whole country! (and other countries on the Balkans, it's all Huawei all-in-one GPON CPE everywhere!)
        msh 6y ago
        That's hardly data to talk about most people in the world.
        6y ago
  - kuschku 6y ago
    > German ISPs do the same thing, by offering you the choice of a basic router or a Fritz!Box for a higher fee. In every instance I have seen, you're better off selecting the cheapest device your ISP will provide, putting it into bridge mode, and using your own router/AP via Ethernet. That's true, but pretty much everyone chooses the Fritz!Box, cause they're just that great for the price. Easy to use, lots of functionality, and actually really great performance. For a home router, at least.

by msh 6y ago

milankragujevic 6y ago

That is uncommon, usually users get a single device that does it all and cannot easily replace the all-in-one with a media converter or single-port ONT.

kogepathic 6y ago
My ISP uses GPON FTTH and anticipates you to use their all-in-one box they provide. You can "easily" replace the Freebox, provided you can: A) find the necessary ipip6 configuration for your region B) you don't mind losing VOIP and IPTV It should even be possible to retain IPTV if you route the correct VLAN to their set-top box, but I didn't care enough to go through that. The amazing part to me is that (IMO) they are selling you a more expensive monthly subscription to get an all-in-one box with a less terrible WiFi implementation. [1] The standard WiFi experience with their lower-tier all-in-one is terribad, which could easily be solved by buying a WiFi AP and plugging it into their box via Ethernet. German ISPs do the same thing, by offering you the choice of a basic router or a Fritz!Box for a higher fee. In every instance I have seen, you're better off selecting the cheapest device your ISP will provide, putting it into bridge mode, and using your own router/AP via Ethernet. [1] https://www.free.fr/freebox/ https://www.free.fr/freebox/
- milankragujevic 6y ago
  But where do you plug in the fiber? Where does one even get GPON CPE on the market? And how do you clone the serial number of the ONU?
  - kogepathic 6y ago
    The ISP provides a Fiber 10G-EPON ONU which plugs into their all-in-one. [1] It is my understanding that subscribers with a Freebox Delta only receive this, since the Delta is SFP+ capable. Since I have the older Freebox Revolution the ISP provided me a media converter which accepts the ONU and provides a normal SFP port which can be plugged into a normal device with an SFP port. [2] Then, you just have to configure the ipip tunnel on your device and you're online. [1] https://lafibre.info/images/pon/201012_SFP_Free_FTTH_10G-EPON_RTXM166-401.pdf https://lafibre.info/images/pon/201012_SFP_Free_FTTH_10G-EPO... [2] https://lafibre.info/gpon/olt-sfp-possible-revolution/msg433680/#msg433680 https://lafibre.info/gpon/olt-sfp-possible-revolution/msg433...
    - milankragujevic 6y ago
      That is not a common scenario, most people in the world get an ONT with an integrated ONU. For example Huawei HG8245Q2. So in your case obviously you can just plug in any router. But a lot of people get it all in one device. And most ISPs don't let you choose what CPE you get.
      - msh 6y ago
        Do you have data to support that statement?
        milankragujevic 6y ago
        Yes, in fact I do! My whole country! (and other countries on the Balkans, it's all Huawei all-in-one GPON CPE everywhere!)
        msh 6y ago
        That's hardly data to talk about most people in the world.
        6y ago
- kuschku 6y ago
  > German ISPs do the same thing, by offering you the choice of a basic router or a Fritz!Box for a higher fee. In every instance I have seen, you're better off selecting the cheapest device your ISP will provide, putting it into bridge mode, and using your own router/AP via Ethernet. That's true, but pretty much everyone chooses the Fritz!Box, cause they're just that great for the price. Easy to use, lots of functionality, and actually really great performance. For a home router, at least.