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Really waiting for matrix to add native group video calls without jitsi

by tW4r 6y ago

jayp1418 6y ago
Matrix is great IRC, slack replacement but signal is WhatsApp replacement.
- szszrk 6y ago
  But to be clear it's rather the other way around [0] :) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Protocol#Usage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Protocol#Usage
  - oarsinsync 6y ago
    Assuming you’re suggesting WhatsApp is a Signal replacement, rather than what the previous commentor said, I’m afraid you’re mixing things up. From your Wikipedia link: > The Signal Protocol's development was started by Trevor Perrin and Moxie Marlinspike (Open Whisper Systems) in 2013. From the WhatsApp Wikipedia page: > After months at beta stage, [WhatsApp] launched in November 2009, exclusively on the App Store for the iPhone. From my own experience, I was on WhatsApp back in 2009-2010 on my OG iPhone that I got as a hand-me-down from a friend who’d just upgraded to the 3G/3GS.
    - szszrk 6y ago
      WhatsApp integrated Signal protocol to all communication around 2014, so not much is left after the 2009 old school WhatsApp. It's mentioned on the same wiki page. So the branding and history of WhatsApp is longer, but the core is Signal. Also if you used both apps and their desktop clients you can easily see how close these two are.
      - oarsinsync 6y ago
        Fair points. The whatsapp backend and protocol may have changed significantly to essentially just be a clone of open whisper systems. The front end, however, remains significantly better on WhatsApp than on Signal. I continue to use both daily, and as much as I loathe Facebook, I still prefer the UX on WhatsApp way more than Signal. That they look similar is more down to the fact that messengers today all look the same (look at facebook messenger, iMessage) than that WhatsApp has taken Signal's front end. If anything, Signal is slowly trying to emulate WhatsApp features, in a more privacy-preserving way, which understandably takes time.
- tW4r 6y ago
  Matrix is self hosted and more of a protocol while signal is not
  - robert_foss 6y ago
    The difference is only that signal doesn't allow anyone else to run the host side of the service.
- olah_1 6y ago
  Check out Fluffy Chat for a more personal messenger vibe with Matrix https://fluffychat.im/en/ https://fluffychat.im/en/ There are other of these style apps too, but fluffy is furthest along I think. https://matrix.org/clients/ https://matrix.org/clients/
  - jayp1418 6y ago
    Thanks for links
darnir 6y ago
Is that on the roadmap? I was under the impression that native video calls will never happen. They might bundle jitsi automatically with the homeserver though
- Arathorn 6y ago
  https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2359 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2359
swiley 6y ago
It has group video calling at all?
- szszrk 6y ago
  Now it does. Received it very recently.

Really waiting for matrix to add native group video calls without jitsi

by tW4r 6y ago

Really waiting for matrix to add native group video calls without jitsi

jayp1418 6y ago

Matrix is great IRC, slack replacement but signal is WhatsApp replacement.

szszrk 6y ago
But to be clear it's rather the other way around [0] :) [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Protocol#Usage https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Signal_Protocol#Usage
- oarsinsync 6y ago
  Assuming you’re suggesting WhatsApp is a Signal replacement, rather than what the previous commentor said, I’m afraid you’re mixing things up. From your Wikipedia link: > The Signal Protocol's development was started by Trevor Perrin and Moxie Marlinspike (Open Whisper Systems) in 2013. From the WhatsApp Wikipedia page: > After months at beta stage, [WhatsApp] launched in November 2009, exclusively on the App Store for the iPhone. From my own experience, I was on WhatsApp back in 2009-2010 on my OG iPhone that I got as a hand-me-down from a friend who’d just upgraded to the 3G/3GS.
  - szszrk 6y ago
    WhatsApp integrated Signal protocol to all communication around 2014, so not much is left after the 2009 old school WhatsApp. It's mentioned on the same wiki page. So the branding and history of WhatsApp is longer, but the core is Signal. Also if you used both apps and their desktop clients you can easily see how close these two are.
    - oarsinsync 6y ago
      Fair points. The whatsapp backend and protocol may have changed significantly to essentially just be a clone of open whisper systems. The front end, however, remains significantly better on WhatsApp than on Signal. I continue to use both daily, and as much as I loathe Facebook, I still prefer the UX on WhatsApp way more than Signal. That they look similar is more down to the fact that messengers today all look the same (look at facebook messenger, iMessage) than that WhatsApp has taken Signal's front end. If anything, Signal is slowly trying to emulate WhatsApp features, in a more privacy-preserving way, which understandably takes time.
tW4r 6y ago
Matrix is self hosted and more of a protocol while signal is not
- robert_foss 6y ago
  The difference is only that signal doesn't allow anyone else to run the host side of the service.
olah_1 6y ago
Check out Fluffy Chat for a more personal messenger vibe with Matrix https://fluffychat.im/en/ https://fluffychat.im/en/ There are other of these style apps too, but fluffy is furthest along I think. https://matrix.org/clients/ https://matrix.org/clients/
- jayp1418 6y ago
  Thanks for links

darnir 6y ago

Is that on the roadmap? I was under the impression that native video calls will never happen. They might bundle jitsi automatically with the homeserver though

Arathorn 6y ago
https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2359 https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-doc/pull/2359

swiley 6y ago

It has group video calling at all?

szszrk 6y ago
Now it does. Received it very recently.